fishbitrate went red

On 3604free.com Second red on that site. I'm getting sick of this. I think theysayjump was right to suspect him as a scammer. Get his ass outta here.

awwwwwww, i was about to trade with him when i noticed a -1 TR, so i called it off. good call guys, good call.

But wait, that means JerriBlank and Daggoth were wrong? shock

Nah that's not possible.

He went red for me too. How did they red him so quickly? I am going to contact him to get my money back.

What the hell is that suppose to mean? Its not like you havent ever been wrong.

That fucker......Glad I follow the rules and have lower TR go first......
I needed that site too......Gah!

i almost trade with him......that was a close one, it was strange b/c he wanted to set things up super super fast...

Yea, he did seem suspicious wanted money for any site. I almost traded with him too =[
Sorry AirKat

Yup, he went red for me on dvdrecorders4free and yourfreeflatscreen overnight. I knew it was a good idea to wait until this morning to make sure he was still green before paying him. I just want to say thanks to theysayjump for being quick to alert us and at least help me to save my money. Great work!

Heh, he was in such a hurry to try and get money out of me before it happened that he didn't even have time to confirm our trades, he just did em.

this Flililiing fool went red on me this morning, great just great, i just lost my money.

out of curiosity, what was his paypal email?

[quote79bb692f78="Daggoth"]What the hell is that suppose to mean? Its not like you havent ever been wrong.[/quote79bb692f78]

Nope. Never.

[quotea0ed2a1bfd="Arti"]out of curiosity, what was his paypal email?[/quotea0ed2a1bfd]

email==fishbitrate@linuxmail.orgfishbitrate@linuxmail.org=fishbitrate@linuxmail.orgfishbitrate@linuxmail.org/email

We are currently in the process of investigating your complaint.

Transaction Date Dec 11, 2005
Transaction Amount -$35.00 USD
Your Transaction ID xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Seller's Transaction ID xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Case Number PP-xxxxxxxxxx
Seller's Name Alex Aguilar
Seller's email= email=exacter9@lycos.comexacter9@lycos.com email=exacter9@lycos.comexacter9@lycos.com/email

From CA as well. Maybe relevant?

http//consolewar.1up.com/do/my1Up?publicUserId=5662310

fishbitratesomething...

I was in the middle of a trade with him. Glad I caught this.

I almost got scam by him.

Word from the wise watch out for traders who come on here and only are accepting paypal or brand new traders who say every site open for cash. Most all of the time they are scammers.. =\

very interesting, according to his profile on consolewars, he DOES in fact have aim, apparently he told me that he dont have aim, what a foolish little boy, looks like I might have to hack his AIM, if thats okay with everyone on the forum j/k D

teach me how to hack aim..

ARRRRRRRGH

I just got home to see my premiumipods has all 8 greens!! After submitting for approval, i went to trade mod and proceeded to send paypal to this fishbitrate. Immediately after that I came to the forums and saw this!

I get ahead of myself sometimes I guess.

He just greened for me this evening, and is still green now. But I suppose it would be foolish to think that won't change. How can he green on so many sites and then turn red? I mean what exactly is he doing? I assume he has already done all of these sites before? Or is he purposely making a second account or something after he gets the paypal money to make it go red?

I already submitted a paypal dispute, hope they pull through.

thanks for looking out TSJ.

im assuming he's doing the same offers over and offer. instant ones.

Everyone should open a dispute at the same time...

I agree, if everyone opens a dispute against this user, paypal will most likely move in our favor, seeing as how many complaints this fool has

BTW, in my dispute page, I provided a screenshot of his going red light, (while making sure to block out everyone elses info of course), dunno how thatll help, and here was his response to what I did

Date of Complaint
Dec. 12, 2005
Status
Reviewing Case
Status Details
The seller provided the following tracking information for your review

Shipping CompanyVirtual Intangiable Service

Tracking NumberVirtual Intangiable Service

Please review this information and determine whether you would like us to continue processing your claim. You may cancel this claim by clicking "Cancel Claim" below. If we do not hear from you, we will resume our investigation in 2 days.

[bbd29d44fdd]thats what HE SAID[/bbd29d44fdd]

yeah, he knows jsut what to respond with.

wait, I am confused. The seller should automatically win the case if it is virtual goods, but if someone sent the money as "Goods" they should automatically win since the seller cannot provide tracking information.

well, if everyone opens a dispute like they should for being scammed, Paypal will more than likely pick up about what that fool is doing.

although you bring an interesting argument for virtual goods,

Moreover, thats true, he cannot provide any proof, he has no proof that he went green, I have proof he went red however, I have hte receipt for the money he sent me, and i wrote clearly in it that it was for a green light on flashipods4free.com.

Im pretty sure I read this somewhere in the TOS of paypal but it said that since Virtual Goods cannot be tracked, they are not eligible for a dispute.

Scammed me too. I live near Fresno.

Since he wouldn't do freepay, I have a feeling that he has accounts on there he doesn't want deleted. See if we can get his freepay accounts put on hold.

AIM Furrialexar

He has done a couple of Freepay sites for other people so, there's none of his links in the Trade Module. I can get Jake to have a look at the accounts signed up from the link he used in the trades, as well as give him his IP so he can try to match the accounts.

We can get him put on hold that way.

[quoteb44b55f2ed="theysayjump"]He has done a couple of Freepay sites for other people so, there's none of his links in the Trade Module. I can get Jake to have a look at the accounts signed up from the link he used in the trades, as well as give him his IP so he can try to match the accounts.

We can get him put on hold that way.[/quoteb44b55f2ed]

Awesome. Sounds like a plan. We will see how the disputes go. Damn, I even debated waiting to pay for 1 to 2 days. Shoulda trusted my gut.

One of his other email=s is email=exacter9@lycos.comexacter9@lycos.coms is email=exacter9@lycos.comexacter9@lycos.com/email
That is what it says on the paypal claim. He replied within an hour saying online intangible item

Actually, we're better off filing a chargeback with the credit card company. That way, Paypal might lose money so they'll freeze his funds. It'll be at least 75 days before he gets the money back (if he gets to keep it, which I doubt).

Given the fraud and the amount he's been scamming, he'll probably get in trouble if fraud prevention at one of the companies act.

paypal won't do anything

[quotee8f0cb41da="PoPoJiJo"]paypal won't do anything[/quotee8f0cb41da]
They will if the chargeback is filed with the credit card company. They have no choice.

Too bad most of them aren't paid by credit card.

so what if we paid with a paypal balance? theres no chargeback thing for that.

[quote5f83903710="theysayjump"]But wait, that means JerriBlank and Daggoth were wrong? shock

Nah that's not possible.[/quote5f83903710]

Cute. Here's what I said in the other thread
[quote5f83903710="jerriblank"]
Especially given that there are KNOWN scammers whose identity is NOT in question who aren't banned from trading.[/quote5f83903710]

I didn't say fishbitrate wasn't a scammer - I was just noting that you were prepared to prevent him from trading based on a suspicion that he was a reincarnation of someone who'd been banned, while Codex, a well-known scammer with multiple victims who needs his own web site to handle all the discussion, isn't banned and until yesterday still had a very high TR.

I just don't get the inconsistency, especially given that the rules are pretty clear
"b. If you do not hold to your word, or you behave in any way that seems 'shady', you will be banned. There is no room for that here."

Apparently there's room for it if you're Codex Avellum. 'Sall I'm saying.



jb

[quotea894df9882="JerriBlank"][quotea894df9882="theysayjump"]But wait, that means JerriBlank and Daggoth were wrong? shock

Nah that's not possible.[/quotea894df9882]

Cute. Here's what I said in the other thread
[quotea894df9882="jerriblank"]
Especially given that there are KNOWN scammers whose identity is NOT in question who aren't banned from trading.[/quotea894df9882]

I didn't say fishbitrate wasn't a scammer - I was just noting that you were prepared to prevent him from trading based on a suspicion that he was a reincarnation of someone who'd been banned, while Codex, a well-known scammer with multiple victims who needs his own web site to handle all the discussion, isn't banned and until yesterday still had a very high TR.

I just don't get the inconsistency, especially given that the rules are pretty clear
"b. If you do not hold to your word, or you behave in any way that seems 'shady', you will be banned. There is no room for that here."

Apparently there's room for it if you're Codex Avellum. 'Sall I'm saying.



jb[/quotea894df9882]

It's the fact that i gave my reasons for being suspicious about him, yet you and Daggoth both implied I was wrong to do so, just because another member of the forum hasn't paid you back yet.

I really don't know how many more times I need to say this, but if I had banned him when you all wanted me to, there would be even less of a chance of you guys getting anything.

If you get paid, you get paid, if you don't, you don't. The only personw ho can do anything about it is codex.

wow, this thread is getting sidetracked,

well, for what it's worth....fishbitrate is still green for me and i submitted approval 3 days ago. Hope it approves before he goes red!

PayPal has concluded our investigation of the following Buyer Complaint

Case ID PP-123-456-789
Transaction Date Dec 12, 2005
Transaction Amount -$20.00 USD
Seller's email= email=surf1168415@netscape.netsurf1168415@netscape.net email=surf1168415@netscape.netsurf1168415@netscape.net/email
Seller's Name Alex Aguilar

Unfortunately, PayPal was not able to resolve this dispute because the item
purchased was virtual or intangible. As a result, we have not taken any
action against either account at this time. However, this complaint has
been noted in the seller's record for future reference.

Thank you for your cooperation with our investigation.

Thank you,
Terry
Protection Services Department

Well, freepay granted my approval on premiumipods and fishbitrate was my last green. I kept expecting freepay to change him to red, but they never did. WEEEEEEEE

The best part is, I saw this thread originally almost immediately after I paypal'd him, and then directly went and filed a paypal complaint with the rest of you, HAH.

I didn't get my money back of course, but at least he stayed green.