*** Is not our fault but what do we do? ***

OKay, I got many people to do [b57bd26f20b]Orderit4Free.com[/b57bd26f20b], I was going for 1K but there was a problem and 12 refs were revoked, now I try to get money from those that were revoked by filling complaints (because I must get my money back since there is no green)

I had to fill [u57bd26f20b]12 complaints [/u57bd26f20b]- [b57bd26f20b]2[/b57bd26f20b][/size57bd26f20b][/color57bd26f20b] of them are resolved - so I have 9 more.

[u57bd26f20b][b57bd26f20b]theysayjump[/b57bd26f20b][/u57bd26f20b] - I know that is not his fault <-- I know he is not a scammer but we have a little problem.

I sent him the money (upfront cuz better TR) he went green but Kerms (Owner of OrderIt4Free.com) revoked his green for [b57bd26f20b]X[/b57bd26f20b] reasons - now I filled complaint with paypal to get my money back BUT it's been more than 30 days so it didn't work

now, I think that I must get a refund, I know is not his fault BUT is not mine either and the trades are clear, if you don't go green for me then you refund my money

what do you guys think?

I think its a dick move to file paypal complaints until you've contacted the people directly asking for a refund.
I also think that it is in no way any of these traders faults, Kerms fucked up [bac5bcf814f]big time[/bac5bcf814f] and you shouldn't punish honests users for his big mistakes

kerms didnt fuck up. there is already a thread on that. it isnt tsj's fault, nor yours, nor kerms. it happens. it is unfortunate that it happened but it did. if i greened on somebody's site that went down and they asked for their money back, i would tell them to piss off. he did his part, you did yours, its out of your hands. get over it.

I also think it is a dick move to just file complaits against people. This is really no one's fault, just happens. If the people who got credit revoked want to be nice, they could give you part of the money back. If they are feeling very generous, they should give you back what you paid, minus what they paid for the offer. But this shit happens dude. No one has to give you crap. They did nothing wrong.

Well, paypal complaints don't work ) Good luck trying to convince them you didn't get what you paid for, against someone who knows what he's doing.

Anyway, I think you should contact kerms. Although it's not TSJ's fault, he's still not green despite doing the offer. It's very tough call in this situation.

Paypal buyer protection doesnt apply to services, as one member on A4F pointed out.

heck, paypal might even be investigating your account for fraud because of so many filed complaints in such a short amount of time

If this is about certain offers not crediting, then I do believe this is kerms fault. Kerms should have looked into it more to begin with and he knew they might not credit for a long time.

I don't think Kerms can afford to pay all the prizes now, which unfortunatley means that Cart gets fucked.

I'm a nice guy, so I would probably pay half back to cart if it were me, but it's not necessary...

If is not that they didn't credit. The publisher revoked credit and is not paying kerms, citing mass fruad

Ah, ok. I thought this had to do with the, LottoDollars, Psychic Realms, etc offers. Kerms told me in the beginning that they weren't supposed to be on incentive based sites, but let people get refs for a while with them. Then he said that he might have to revoke those credits...

I was like the 5th person to finish his site, so I stopped paying attention to it after I finished.

[quote94557e1893="goofygarber"]I think its a dick move to file paypal complaints until you've contacted the people directly asking for a refund.
I also think that it is in no way any of these traders faults, Kerms fucked up [b94557e1893]big time[/b94557e1893] and you shouldn't punish honests users for his big mistakes[/quote94557e1893]

This is the problem, if I don't file a paypal complaint before 30 days then there will be no possible way for me to get the money I sent for a Green (to stay green)

I had to fill complaints to get money back.

Also, I am not punishing honext trades like theysayjump - I know that he is not a scammer and we talk about this already - we are both good with this, you can just asking him if you want, we talk already (PM's)

Kerms is not paying me, is not my fault, is not traders fault (I don't know whos problem is) but I am not losing money for that, it wasn't my mistake, is not the other ones mistake but my credit was not revoked it was the others trader, so I get a refund and if you resolve the thing then you get it back

[quote2d597b7dc9="bballp6699"]If this is about certain offers not crediting, then I do believe this is kerms fault. Kerms should have looked into it more to begin with and he knew they might not credit for a long time.

I don't think Kerms can afford to pay all the prizes now, which unfortunatley means that Cart gets fucked.

I'm a nice guy, so I would probably pay half back to cart if it were me, but it's not necessary...[/quote2d597b7dc9]


NO, they were all crediting, I had 25 greens but somehow 12 people were revoked for X reasons and now I had to fill complaints to get my money back.

[quote81e45f9987="goofygarber"]I think its a dick move to file paypal complaints until you've contacted the people directly asking for a refund.
I also think that it is in no way any of these traders faults, Kerms fucked up [b81e45f9987]big time[/b81e45f9987] and you shouldn't punish honests users for his big mistakes[/quote81e45f9987]

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Here is what [u81e45f9987][b81e45f9987]theysayjump[/b81e45f9987][/u81e45f9987] told me

[quote81e45f9987]you can make a thread in the scammers section or anywhere else for that matter, and ill say the same thing. if everyone (or especially the admin/other mods) think i should pay you back, then fine, i will. but until i am told from a higher power to do so, i wont give you back the money, even if i wanted to or had it.[/quote81e45f9987]


Again, theysayjump is not a scammer but there is a problem with credit and we are tryign to resolve this.

TheySayJump doesnt owe you shit.... he went green and kerm is a dick
thats all there is to it....

[quotebdfc2dd9c3="JUNIOR6886"]TheySayJump doesnt owe you shit.... he went green and kerm is a dick
thats all there is to it....[/quotebdfc2dd9c3]

BUT he is not green, that is the point, I don't know why but is not green so thats the problem. I went green for some people (long time ago, and then something ahppend and I was not green anymore and I was banned - same situation here but different problem, everybody told me to pay or go green again - so it's the same situtation./

Yeah, but this was a mass credit revokation, not a single user. I'm sure theysayjump didn't break any rules, therefore you should be complaining to kerms, not us.

[quotead5346ffc1="goofygarber"]Yeah, but this was a mass credit revokation, not a single user. I'm sure theysayjump didn't break any rules, therefore you should be complaining to kerms, not us.[/quotead5346ffc1]

This is the problem

He went green and is not green anymore (why? I don't know)

I cannot ask KERM becuase I am not the one that did the offer (don't know name, CC # or anything) the one that did the offer has to fix this with KERM [bad5346ffc1]not ME[/bad5346ffc1]


I sent money for a green to be green (so I can get my item) it was green but not anymore (I am not getting my item) is not his fault BUT is not my fault either SO WHY SHOULD I PAY FOR THAT - I know it sucks but is not my mistake

[quotebbd7381365="goofygarber"]Yeah, but this was a mass credit revokation, not a single user. I'm sure theysayjump didn't break any rules, therefore you should be complaining to kerms, not us.[/quotebbd7381365]

Let me ask you something.

If you get 25 referrals (all of them are green, you sent paypal to each one of them) and for X reasons 12 of them are revoked.

[bbbd7381365]What would you do?[/bbbd7381365]


will you say (oh man, you can keep the money, is not your fault) don't tell me you will becuase that is BS[/sizebbd7381365][/colorbbd7381365][bbbd7381365][ubbd7381365][/ubbd7381365][/bbbd7381365]



I am not scamming anyone, manye people is mad WITH ME and is not even my fault, I didn't revoke the credits, I am not the one that didn't pay publishers or owner, I am just getting my money back

[quote3cfa8b785a="cartrenroy"]He went green and is not green anymore (why? I don't know) [/quote3cfa8b785a]

Don't come on here, and pretend like you don't know why they had credit taken away. Kerms has publicly stated, that the publisher is revoking credit and pay because they are claiming fraud. I am sure you know this, from talking to Kerms, or just a simple viewing of the Orderit4free forum. It is obvious this publisher say the mass cancellation, and got angry, and withdrew. Now, it may be Kerms fault for using such a dipshit publisher, but it is also your fault for doing such a new site.

[quote3cfa8b785a="cartrenroy"]Let me ask you something.

If you get 25 referrals (all of them are green, you sent paypal to each one of them) and for X reasons 12 of them are revoked.

What would you do?

will you say (oh man, you can keep the money, is not your fault) don't tell me you will becuase that is BS[/quote3cfa8b785a]

This issue is very similar to a site that turns out to be a scam. If you had 25 refs go green and paid them, then the site went down and you received nothing, what would you do? Would you still file your complaints, and try to get your money back?

I think what is most important is that they sites are not a guarantee. [b3cfa8b785a]You choose to get the ref for the certain site, so you deal with the consequences of that sites actions.[/b3cfa8b785a] This is why some sites are more risky than others. When i finished LegalSteals, and they bailed, you didn't see me crying and wanting my money back from my trades. It is part of the risk we take.

[quote071f307aa9="Peinecone"][quote071f307aa9="cartrenroy"]He went green and is not green anymore (why? I don't know) [/quote071f307aa9]

Don't come on here, and pretend like you don't know why they had credit taken away. Kerms has publicly stated, that the publisher is revoking credit and pay because they are claiming fraud. I am sure you know this, from talking to Kerms, or just a simple viewing of the Orderit4free forum. It is obvious this publisher say the mass cancellation, and got angry, and withdrew. Now, it may be Kerms fault for using such a dipshit publisher, but it is also your fault for doing such a new site.

[quote071f307aa9="cartrenroy"]Let me ask you something.

If you get 25 referrals (all of them are green, you sent paypal to each one of them) and for X reasons 12 of them are revoked.

What would you do?

will you say (oh man, you can keep the money, is not your fault) don't tell me you will becuase that is BS[/quote071f307aa9]

This issue is very similar to a site that turns out to be a scam. If you had 25 refs go green and paid them, then the site went down and you received nothing, what would you do? Would you still file your complaints, and try to get your money back?

I think what is most important is that they sites are not a guarantee. [b071f307aa9]You choose to get the ref for the certain site, so you deal with the consequences of that sites actions.[/b071f307aa9] This is why some sites are more risky than others. When i finished LegalSteals, and they bailed, you didn't see me crying and wanting my money back from my trades. It is part of the risk we take.[/quote071f307aa9]


Thats a different situation, if the site goes down then you can't do anything about it - [b071f307aa9]WHEN I DID FreeLCDTelevisions and the thing was a SCAM (I never got anything) - I DIDN'T ask for a refund or anything like that. So don't come with something like that[/b071f307aa9] - It's easy for for you becuase you are not the one on this situation.

But this time is different, credit was revoked (site was not closed) so I cannot do anything about it, if that person wants to do another offer and go green again then it's fine with me (BUT I am not losing money for that)


About the Revoking situation <-- I am not going to talk about that.

[quote1e1d5d471d="cartrenroy"]About the Revoking situation <-- I am not going to talk about that.[/quote1e1d5d471d]
Why not? It is an important part of this.

[quotef925695f4a="cartrenroy"][quotef925695f4a="goofygarber"]Yeah, but this was a mass credit revokation, not a single user. I'm sure theysayjump didn't break any rules, therefore you should be complaining to kerms, not us.[/quotef925695f4a]

Let me ask you something.

If you get 25 referrals (all of them are green, you sent paypal to each one of them) and for X reasons 12 of them are revoked.

[bf925695f4a]What would you do?[/bf925695f4a]


will you say (oh man, you can keep the money, is not your fault) don't tell me you will becuase that is BS[/sizef925695f4a][/colorf925695f4a][bf925695f4a][uf925695f4a][/uf925695f4a][/bf925695f4a]



I am not scamming anyone, manye people is mad WITH ME and is not even my fault, I didn't revoke the credits, I am not the one that didn't pay publishers or owner, I am just getting my money back[/quotef925695f4a]

Its the advertisers fault, though Jump shouldnt be liable. You the one who paid others to do your site cannot expect to accept no risks, thats part of the risks. If Jump turned red then that would have been a different story. Though since he was green then its not his fault.

[quote0afdd209fb="Peinecone"][quote0afdd209fb="cartrenroy"]About the Revoking situation <-- I am not going to talk about that.[/quote0afdd209fb]
Why not? It is an important part of this.[/quote0afdd209fb]

What do you want me to say?

you want me to complaint about that, you said it all.

[quotecf843bf2a1="CoMpFrEaK"][quotecf843bf2a1="cartrenroy"][quotecf843bf2a1="goofygarber"]Yeah, but this was a mass credit revokation, not a single user. I'm sure theysayjump didn't break any rules, therefore you should be complaining to kerms, not us.[/quotecf843bf2a1]

Let me ask you something.

If you get 25 referrals (all of them are green, you sent paypal to each one of them) and for X reasons 12 of them are revoked.

[bcf843bf2a1]What would you do?[/bcf843bf2a1]


will you say (oh man, you can keep the money, is not your fault) don't tell me you will becuase that is BS[/sizecf843bf2a1][/colorcf843bf2a1][bcf843bf2a1][ucf843bf2a1][/ucf843bf2a1][/bcf843bf2a1]



I am not scamming anyone, manye people is mad WITH ME and is not even my fault, I didn't revoke the credits, I am not the one that didn't pay publishers or owner, I am just getting my money back[/quotecf843bf2a1]

Its the advertisers fault, though Jump shouldnt be liable. You the one who paid others to do your site cannot expect to accept no risks, thats part of the risks. If Jump turned red then that would have been a different story. Though since he was green then its not his fault.[/quotecf843bf2a1]


but I cannot make the advertiser ot pay me, I know is not Jump's fault BUT IS NOT MINE EITHER - and I am not paying that.

[quote6be192bdbc="cartrenroy"] I know is not Jump's fault BUT IS NOT MINE EITHER - and[b6be192bdbc] I am not paying that[/b6be192bdbc].[/quote6be192bdbc]
I just don't get your logic. It is not either of your faults, but you won't pay for it, so he should have to? (plus what he spent on the offer.) Why should he have to pay, if you feel so adamant against it?

Why not take out cost of offer and have him pay you back the rest. It's no ones fault, but it should be dealt with like it would be with anyone else. It's only fair to either work out a solution, or leave it up to the mods to decide what to do.

[quote4d309f8c5c="Peinecone"][quote4d309f8c5c="cartrenroy"] I know is not Jump's fault BUT IS NOT MINE EITHER - and[b4d309f8c5c] I am not paying that[/b4d309f8c5c].[/quote4d309f8c5c]
I just don't get your logic. It is not either of your faults, but you won't pay for it, so he should have to? (plus what he spent on the offer.) Why should he have to pay, if you feel so adamant against it?[/quote4d309f8c5c]

my logic?

WTH, are you serious, so you want me to pay for someone that is not green?

(if he is green or not that is not my problem) if is not his fault (THAT IS NOT MY PROBLEM) the site is up and running, he is not green, so I must get a green (which is what I paid for) or a refund of my money (Losing money <-- that is my problem)


He is not green, he should FIX that with KERMS not me with him.

Then don't file paypal claims, urge him to speak with kerms.
I don't know, I've always liked you - we had a smooth trade, but this thread is raping the publics opinion of you

I think paying back half is fair. But after you trying to file paypal complaints, i don't think i would give you anything.

[quote332da58411="Peinecone"]I think paying back half is fair.[/quote332da58411]

half is fair, fair for who? why is he going to keep some $ for nothing.

[quote71c81ce80d="goofygarber"]Then don't file paypal claims, urge him to speak with kerms.
I don't know, I've always liked you - we had a smooth trade, but this thread is raping the publics opinion of you[/quote71c81ce80d]


Here is the problem, I've been getting refs for a LONG TIME (for orderIt4Free) after you send the money you have 30 days to file a complaint (correct?)

okay, it's been more than 30 days for JUMP and about 30 for my other refs - so If I don't file complaints now then there is no way to get my money back - you know that not many people will say (okay I will refund) not many.

Thats why I did it/

[quoteab6d125e82="cartrenroy"]why is he going to keep some $ for nothing.[/quoteab6d125e82]
How about the trouble of doing an offer and paying for it, and not being able to sign up for this site again under someone else.

[quote5fbf93bfcd="Peinecone"][quote5fbf93bfcd="cartrenroy"]why is he going to keep some $ for nothing.[/quote5fbf93bfcd]
How about the trouble of doing an offer and paying for it, and not being able to sign up for this site again under someone else.[/quote5fbf93bfcd]

the troble? I pay him UPFRONT to do the offer, the trouble, that sounds funny.

in that case is better if he does another offer and goes green for me (cheaper for him)

[quote344142a4bc="cartrenroy"][quote344142a4bc="Peinecone"][quote344142a4bc="cartrenroy"]why is he going to keep some $ for nothing.[/quote344142a4bc]
How about the trouble of doing an offer and paying for it, and not being able to sign up for this site again under someone else.[/quote344142a4bc]

the troble? I pay him UPFRONT to do the offer, the trouble, that sounds funny.

in that case is better if he does another offer and goes green for me (cheaper for him)[/quote344142a4bc]

Or what, you already filed complaints so you don't have much leverage. You should be begging them to give you any money back

It's hard to feel sorry for you when you advertised the offer that the credit got revoked for in your trading thread. You practically insisted all users do it for you if i remember your trading thread correctly.

Lesson learned about small sites too by all I hope.

[quote1e1c37b462="ragefu"][quote1e1c37b462="cartrenroy"][quote1e1c37b462="Peinecone"][quote1e1c37b462="cartrenroy"]why is he going to keep some $ for nothing.[/quote1e1c37b462]
How about the trouble of doing an offer and paying for it, and not being able to sign up for this site again under someone else.[/quote1e1c37b462]

the troble? I pay him UPFRONT to do the offer, the trouble, that sounds funny.

in that case is better if he does another offer and goes green for me (cheaper for him)[/quote1e1c37b462]

Or what, you already filed complaints so you don't have much leverage. You should be begging them to give you any money back[/quote1e1c37b462]

I already explained, I filed complaints becuase I only have 30 das to do it, it was almost 30 days (29 for some, 30 for others (last day) and 28 for 3 or4)

[quote1cf8cf1b46="justinag06"]It's hard to feel sorry for you when you advertised the offer that the credit got revoked for in your trading thread. You practically insisted all users do it for you if i remember your trading thread correctly.

Lesson learned about small sites too by all I hope.[/quote1cf8cf1b46]


YOu don't have to feel sorry for me, I am not sick or anything like that.

Well for like an ebay purchase I could see you'd want to get that complaint in, but its not a good move because the only way your getting your money back through a complaint is if the other person doesn't respond(that's how I got my 25 back from Ryanish). No goods are exchanged so you won't be able to force a refund, just piss off the other person.

[quotefd023e399d="ragefu"]Well for like an ebay purchase I could see you'd want to get that complaint in, but its not a good move because the only way your getting your money back through a complaint is if the other person doesn't respond(that's how I got my 25 back from Ryanish). No goods are exchanged so you won't be able to force a refund, just piss off the other person.[/quotefd023e399d]

but that was my only option, if that person doesn't refund then the account will be frozen, if I don't feel complaint then that person keeps my money, keeps using the account and continues with his/her life.

Personally if you filed a complaint on me for something like that you might as well say goodbye to the $$$ if you lost

Amazing, simply amazing.... the absolute MOST you could ask of TheysayJump is your money back MINUS HIS OFFER COSTS
and even that is excessive. With your low credibility and Theysayjump's current reputation, you have NO chance of getting your money back.
Notice that not a single person besides you thinks you should get
a refund. You took a gamble and lost....... winning a paypal claim on somehting like freesites is next to impossible.....(/me puts on flame shield) nothing against mods or admins... but trading with someone who has such a great deal of power over you is a risky venture in itself...

I disagree junior, I dont see why theysayjump is entitled to profit off an offer that didnt credit for cart, just because he is a mod(a great one). I think the only fair option is to refund $$ - costs, or do another offer

[quotee593ea31ce="justinag06"]I disagree junior, I dont see why theysayjump is entitled to profit off an offer that didnt credit for cart, just because he is a mod(a great one). I think the only fair option is to refund $$ - costs, or do another offer[/quotee593ea31ce]

Actually it did credit, though it was due to the sites advertiser that it was revoked

[quotec48271b7bb="CoMpFrEaK"][quotec48271b7bb="justinag06"]I disagree junior, I dont see why theysayjump is entitled to profit off an offer that didnt credit for cart, just because he is a mod(a great one). I think the only fair option is to refund $$ - costs, or do another offer[/quotec48271b7bb]

Actually it did credit, though it was due to the sites advertiser that it was revoked[/quotec48271b7bb]

yeah i read the whole deal on it, anyhow i'm officially jumping out of this topic.

[quote673794bff0="CoMpFrEaK"][quote673794bff0="justinag06"]I disagree junior, I dont see why theysayjump is entitled to profit off an offer that didnt credit for cart, just because he is a mod(a great one). I think the only fair option is to refund $$ - costs, or do another offer[/quote673794bff0]

Actually it did credit, though it was due to the sites advertiser that it was revoked[/quote673794bff0]


Thats right BUT I am losing money and is not even my mistake.

[quote8277c3fdb2="cartrenroy"][quote8277c3fdb2="CoMpFrEaK"][quote8277c3fdb2="justinag06"]I disagree junior, I dont see why theysayjump is entitled to profit off an offer that didnt credit for cart, just because he is a mod(a great one). I think the only fair option is to refund $$ - costs, or do another offer[/quote8277c3fdb2]

Actually it did credit, though it was due to the sites advertiser that it was revoked[/quote8277c3fdb2]


Thats right BUT I am losing money and is not even my mistake.[/quote8277c3fdb2]
look, the way I see it, you payed for the green, and he greened. The green was revoked by the site for fraud, unless you can prove he frauded, then he owes you nothing. It would be like somebody asking for all their money back from a gusto site. It is your fault for doing a shady site where they would revoke credits, would freepay or trainn do that? no! Even OC wouldn't do it.

Let me give you an analogy all the minors here may understand. You buy yourself a new toy (maybe a dildo in your case in cart), your parents take it away, and then you call your credit card company to dispute he charge because it got taken away.

anyways, this thread is just retarded. I can see you trying to take advantage of noobs, but to pull this kind of shit with a mod, and to go so far as to make a thread here, I think your reinstatement here needs to be reevaluated.

[quoteeb911839b4="cartrenroy"] BUT I am losing money and is not even my mistake.[/quoteeb911839b4]
We all know it is not your fualt. But just deal with it, and move the fuck on. Something you will learn when you get more mature, is that you have consequences, for things that are not your fualt and out of your power.

[quote13e610eeba="freedesktoppc"]
would freepay or trainn do that? no! Even OC wouldn't do it. [/quote13e610eeba]

actually ive had refs loose credit and trainn for doing instant offers and canceling them the next day. They won't get it revoked untill approval stage, but yes all sites do sometimes revoke credit.

I made all mine go back and do another offer too.

This is how I see it, I have nothing to do with the thread, but I'm giving my opinion of someone who is not on anyones side.

I think TSJ should liNOTli be required to pay anything back, regardless of how many cute little paypal complaints Cart wants to file. TSJ officially "greened" for Cart, so TSJ did his part. They took away credit, but that doesn't mean TSJ didn't go green to begin with. So I would say that ANYONE who went green for this guy should not have to pay back any cent. I totally would not. It would not be my fault is the site went crazy and took away my credit for something that I'm not responsible for. Granted you lost a lot of money, that's on you for thinking that sites will always be running smooth. Problems happen, just move on.

theysayjump is fuckin cool,he wouldn't scam people )
THE END.............

He filed a paypal complaint against me out of nowhere, i didnt even know about this stuff going on with orderit4free and out of nowhere i get an email about a paypal complaint. He keeps saying its not his fault, but its not my fault either, i had to pay a few dollars to do that jeunusse or whatever offer, and when i send it back i have to pay to have it shipped back.

[quote03393f8270="erdons"]He filed a paypal complaint against me out of nowhere, i didnt even know about this stuff going on with orderit4free and out of nowhere i get an email about a paypal complaint. He keeps saying its not his fault, but its not my fault either, i had to pay a few dollars to do that jeunusse or whatever offer, and when i send it back i have to pay to have it shipped back.[/quote03393f8270]

I am not going to pay for nothing, with TheySayJump it was too late (more than 30 days) but not with you.

What was the end result of this anyway? How much money did he get back through unfair paypal complaints?

TheySayJump HAS TO PAY YOU or GREEN AT ANOTHER SITE.

He made me do it when a scam site fell through on me with patfaggis.

Actually, if I read your thread correctly, you said that you did not go green on the scam site and therfore would be forced to go green on a real site. But, if you went green on the scam site, you would not owe anything.

[quotefed19263da="shamash"]TheySayJump HAS TO PAY YOU or GREEN AT ANOTHER SITE.

He made me do it when a scam site fell through on me with patfaggis.[/quotefed19263da]

roll Bitter?

Did you green for Patwalls? Nope, I didn't think so.

Did I green for cart'? Yup I thought so.

The difference? I was paid to go green which I did. You were paid to go green, which you didn't.

Seems pretty straight forward to me shrug

Yeah, but then you went red.. that's just the same as not getting green for doing an offer, except worse.

Except the fact that he got a legit green and it was neither of our faults that credit was revoked.

You didn't give him a green in the 1st place so that's why you owed him a green.

[quotebffc63650c="Daggoth"]What was the end result of this anyway? How much money did he get back through unfair paypal complaints?[/quotebffc63650c]

unfair paypal complaints?

what do you know about unfair things? Why do I have to pay and not him (becuase it wans't his fault, well it wasn't my neither)

why do I have to loss $ and not theysayjump, kerms, publisher or JEUNESSE company <-- thats right, why me and not them, weird thing but that is the way it is.

Theysayjump is not going to pay me, so I can't do anything about it, he told me create a forum and if they say that I have to pay you then I will, it didn't happen so he is not going to, I'm fine with that, we were both cool about this thread and everythign is fine with him.



FreeLCDTelevisions was a scam (It wasn't my refs fault, publishers or company, so I didn't complaint) BUT OrderIt4Free is something different and the thing is - Why do I have to loss and not my ref, why him or why me.

Ok what was the result of the legit complaints? How much money did you lose in all(Not get a green or refund)?

[quotedc549e80d1="Daggoth"]Ok what was the result of the legit complaints? How much money did you lose in all(Not get a green or refund)?[/quotedc549e80d1]

thats not your business.


I paid about $18 per green and 12 greens were revoked.

Well then do not bother posting. I was just curious and you could have told it to me earlier. What a waste of time.

[quote7a1706e323="Daggoth"]Well then do not bother posting. I was just curious and you could have told it to me earlier. What a waste of time.[/quote7a1706e323]


[b7a1706e323]Daggoth[/b7a1706e323] sorry if that was rude (I wasn't trying to be rude or anything like that, but it sounded rude)

I posted becuase I wanted to know what you guys thnk of the situaton (not to give details about it)


But sorry if that was rude, you haev the right to ask w/e you want.