deadheart

Live forum: http://forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=10557

pinkledeez

02-04-2005 04:21:08

[bcd404ebde1]April 25, 2005[/bcd404ebde1]

[bcd404ebde1]Resolved![/bcd404ebde1] That dumbass finally paid me back!

I couldn't believe his defense was
"I'm no going to pay you back b/c [icd404ebde1]someone else[/icd404ebde1] screwed me over."

[bcd404ebde1][icd404ebde1]What an idiot![/icd404ebde1][/bcd404ebde1]

I guess all those paypal complaints made a difference after all.

This was indeed a good lesson learned.

No hard feelings but I stongly discourage trading with deadheart.

[bcd404ebde1]April 24, 2005[/bcd404ebde1]
Well, it's been over two weeks, I'm not yellow and he hasn't come back to the forum. I don't think he's coming back or going green for the rest of us.

I am just going to put this issue behind me and hope that karma's a real bitch to this guy.

If any of you want to continue the fight, PM me. I'll give you the means to contact him. I don't mind at all.

[bcd404ebde1]Mon Apr 04, 2005 633 am[/bcd404ebde1]
Hey Gang,

I think I have some good news. I composed a letter last night explaining the situation and hoping for a resolution. It wasn't threatening at all.

This morning, I e-mailed it to the owner of the site and faxed it too. By the time I sat down from the fax, the owner of the website had already responded

[quotecd404ebde1]I will contact him about this and find out the deal and make sure he
completes the offer or refunds the money.

Jay [icd404ebde1]LastName[/icd404ebde1]
877-555-1212
Fax 877-555-1212
www.hiswebsitenumber1
www.hiswebsitenumber2
[/quotecd404ebde1]

Of course, he closed it with his actual name and number. Just didn't want to put anything personal on here.

So, we may not be out of the fire yet...but at least the owner of the website recognized the issue and responded quickly. D


[bcd404ebde1]==ORINGAL POST==[/bcd404ebde1]
Has anyone ever experienced any trouble with [bcd404ebde1]deadheart[/bcd404ebde1]?

I paid him $35 earlier this week to do FreeDesktopPC and FreeHandBags.

At first, he did not immediately sign up (I had to send an e-mail), but now it's three days later and he still hasn't gone green.

Don't get me wrong, I understand some offers take a while.

But I've sent him two simple messages inquiring two thing
1. Which offers he's completed (so I would know how long I should wait)
2. If he would nominate me for +2 in the good trader's post.

He has ignored all e-mails and requests. How difficult is it to give someone a simple update when they ask for it?

Anyway, I'm cautiously optimistic that it will eventually go green. He has a high trade record. I'm just checking to see if anyone else has had a problem.

oh5srt4

02-04-2005 04:23:31

Don't know...hes a +13 trader so I highly doubt your getting screwed...but that's why when you're paying for refs...you pay AFTER green, no matter what their record is. There's always those times where it just seems no matter what you do you can't get credit...and if you pay someone and they're having one of those times, well, you're just shit outta luck and shit outta $35. Good luck.

pinkledeez

02-04-2005 04:29:50

[quote0488a844ca="oh5srt4"]Don't know...hes a +13 trader so I highly doubt your getting screwed...[/quote0488a844ca]

I know. I don't know why he would go through the trouble to get a high rating and then NOT follow through as promised. The ignored messages are what bothers me. I took a friendly tone in both of them.

[quote0488a844ca]...and if you pay someone and they're having one of those times, well, you're just shit outta luck and shit outta $35. Good luck.[/quote0488a844ca]

I doubt that. This person isn't ANONYMOUS and I could always dispute the charge with paypal.

Archi1

02-04-2005 07:02:41

I cannot say one way or the other right now. I paid him to go green on freeipodshuffle and he did. However, he is supposed to go green on pvps4free too and hasn't. BUT it's only been a few days.
One thing that concerned me is that it is very easy for people to get greens that won't hold up to account review so I hope deadheart's greens are good. I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt right now. Offers can take a long time to go green sometimes.
Maybe it would be good for everyone to list what deadheart has gone or is going green on. That way we can all rest easy that he is not doing duplicate offers.

Collateral

02-04-2005 07:05:31

I refused to pay him before he went green, still hasn't greened either hehe. Been, what? Like 5 days or so.

Archi1

02-04-2005 07:07:44

Now that I think about it I belive I paid up front.

StrictlyBallin24

02-04-2005 07:35:31

i paid him $30 to do 4freespot and applefree4u. i had to go first cause my record was below 2. (it should be +4 right now but wood hasnt updated it). neither of the sites have gone green. i ask him what offers he has done and he totally dodges the question and now he wont even answer my PM's. looks like i got screwed.

Archi1

02-04-2005 07:42:48

So am I the only person who got a green from him?

chillywilly

02-04-2005 07:44:17

Nope. I got a green from him on my FreeMiniMacs.com Went green pretty quick, too.

StrictlyBallin24

02-04-2005 07:56:53

o and btw, we sent the PM's back and forth and i paid him on March 28. he never actually signed up for my sites till March 29 (after i bugged him about it). so it has been 4 days....

JJPRO11

02-04-2005 08:21:31

hmm.. i had no problem with him.. went green next day. it could be that his g/f hasnt done it yet, because thats who he had do it for me.

slowdown

02-04-2005 08:48:06

[quote512ec89c91="Archi1"]I cannot say one way or the other right now. I paid him to go green on freeipodshuffle and he did. However, he is supposed to go green on mp3players too and hasn't.[/quote512ec89c91]

Hum.... he is singed up for my mp3players also(deadheart@artlilililililililililial.com but he did post the other day about using someone else to do refs for him so it may be ok) he is singed up at my cameras4free also and i have been waiting on greens from him for 9 days on both sites!! and he has not responded to repeated PMs??

steve30000

02-04-2005 09:08:03

Well, I"m in the same boat as the rest of you. I paid him to go green on mp3players4free (goat@artlililililililial.com) (what is that, 3 now?). Paid him on Tuesday, he gave me positive trader feedback and I finallly had to PM him on Wednesday to find out what is going. He signed up on Wednesday but still hasn't gone green. I've done several sites myself though this week that haven't gone green yet so I'm hoping for the best and that he isn't scamming all of us.

pinkledeez

02-04-2005 09:26:10

Thanks for the input guys. It looks like one of two things is going on
1. He's made so many deals in the past few days, he's playing catch-up
2. He built up his trade record to pull off a paypal scam.

Let's all bear in mind though that it can take up TWO Weeks to go green. I want to give this guy the benefit of the doubt rather than start a revolt. )

I [b544e21a988]hope[/b544e21a988] he's ignoring the e-mails and pms b/c he's trying to get his offers straightened out. Not a very smart or polite thing to do, but--like I said--benefit of the doubt.

It is good to see he has gone green for at least a couple of people here.

Perhaps next time he visits this forum, he'll see this post and plead his case. If not, then we may have a problem on our hands. I'll worry about that bridge when we get there.

BTW, he's signed up for this offers for me using the GOAT e-mail address
freedesktoppc
freehandbags

Skeeter

02-04-2005 10:16:04

Well I'm in the same boat as you Pinkledeez. Paid him $40.00 for 2 refs (freeipodshuffle & freepsps) and he hasn't gone green on either. Paid him immediately and than had to PM his ass a couple of times b4 he even signed up for me.

The funny thing is he did freeipodshuffle for Archi1 and than also signed up for me too?? Unless he did one and his GF did the other, I think we're going to be put on hold.

I think I'm just SOL with this guy! Unless he proves otherwise, I think we just got scammed!

megacoupe

02-04-2005 10:19:34

I think I can add some info about deadheart.

The reason his trade record is so high is because he was offering $45 for notebooks4free referrals and paying up front. That is a good way to build up your trade record fast.

I've been having a little trouble with him concerning a freeipods referral. I offered him $25 for a referral, $30 if instant green. He had some friend of his do a referral for me and it went through immediately, so I Paypaled $30. He wanted to do another one for me, but he was yellow for 2-3 days. When I PMed him about it, he told me that that yellow had been another friend and that he would do it himself. He asked me for payment but I refused to do it until he went green. It's been another 3 days now and though he told me he completed Appera Whitening, it's still yellow.

I'm not sure what to think. I'd like to believe that he did do that 5th referral for me, and I don't want to sign someone else up in case he gets through. I guess I'll just have to wait a week or so and see what happens.

Archi1

02-04-2005 10:26:04

He did to freeipodshuffle for me but I think he said it was his GF who did it

Skeeter

02-04-2005 10:47:09

Exactly Archi1, he said his GF did it for me too. After about 4 PMs to him b4 he sign up for me. Chances are we might be put on hold even if he went green for me.

So, I guess we'll have to wait to hear from him.

Archi1

02-04-2005 10:49:30

Pm me with the email address his GF used
This chaps me...
At least I made him pay me $70 for the greens I gave him. He got $30 back out of me but at least I didn't end up in the hole.

pinkledeez

02-04-2005 15:40:26

[quote34a024ca18="Skeeter"]I think I'm just SOL with this guy! Unless he proves otherwise, I think we just got scammed![/quote34a024ca18]

You may have got scammed, but you are not SOL. The paypal address you sent to (paypal AT artofwarcentral DOT COM) is a verified paypal Business Member since 2001.

Therefore, if it does turn out he tried to take the money and not honor his end, then a dispute can be filed with Paypal.

If that proves uneventful, then there's always the criminal route because he's bascially stolen at least $100 from all of us.

I doubt the owner of the site would try to scam us. If anything, it's probably someone like his son or nephew who thought it'd be funny to trick some people.

But then again, [b34a024ca18]they all may go green[/color34a024ca18][/b34a024ca18]. I just wish he'd reply to our inquiries. A few simple words can go a long way.

I sent another message to deadheart this morning. If I haven't heard from him by Monday, then I will try to contact the owner of the site. If even he won't respond, then we can only assume the worst.

I will keep you guys updated.

josiemcd

02-04-2005 15:48:26

I paypal transfered $20 to him and he signed up but has not gone green (this is not unusual though, since it has only been a couple days). I was not concerned at all until I saw this thread. However, I'm still pretty confident that it will eventually go green. Anyways, at least we are all in it together, if anything goes wrong...

StrictlyBallin24

02-04-2005 16:23:06

he told me his GF did both my sites and the email used on both sites was frankred@glilililililililililiclan.com

StrictlyBallin24

02-04-2005 16:24:17

he also read a PM i sent him yesterday but hasnt responded.

Diggety

02-04-2005 16:58:57

I am in the same boat as all of you. I payed him $15 for a PSPs4free ref and it has yet to go green. He said that he was signing up using his GF, and had good communication in the beginning but I have not since heard anything from him. frankred@glilililililililililiclan.com was the email used on my account as well. I really hope this guy comes through.

Skeeter

02-04-2005 17:31:47

I too hope he does come through for all of us. Just hope it wasn't a was of our time and money! And pinkledeez thanks for the info about PayPal, forgot all about that (maybe it won't be a total lost if he doesn't go green for us).

TioTony

02-04-2005 22:53:58

pinkledeez is right "the benefit of the doubt"... he's still yellow in two of my sites. But I myself have been yellow for a long time in two sites, and nothing happens... I'll have to email gratis and OC to get credited.

But anyways, how about we all say what sites he signed up for each one of us (and at least the initial of the email used)?? I have the feeling that there's a mess up...

slowdown

02-04-2005 23:02:20

well even giveing him the "the benefit of the doubt" this is all starting to look more and more shady. but any ways the sites he has yellow on for me are
Camreas4free-----deadheart@artlilililililililililial.com
mp3players -------deadheart@artlilililililililililial.com

JJPRO11

02-04-2005 23:05:36

im surprised at all this.. his g/f went green instantly the day after i paid.. maybe you guys need to be a bit more patient with him.. i do not like whenever people ignore pms though.. there is no excuse for that.

TioTony

02-04-2005 23:11:04

Hmmm...

[ua5f0883bf7]freePhotoiPods[/ua5f0883bf7] deadheart@artlilililililililial.com (Yellow)

[ua5f0883bf7]Cameras4free[/ua5f0883bf7]
goat@artlilililililililililial.com (Yellow)
frankred@girlilililian.com (Yellow) Which referral I don't even remember havind traded for (I didin't even know it was one of his emails, but someone posted it in this thread)... but well, as far as it greens up!

slowdown

02-04-2005 23:13:04

yes well i have been patient but this is day 10 he has been yellow and had not responded to PMs i understand that sometime its not your fault i have had offers never go green but i have talked to the person i traded with to work it out

TioTony

02-04-2005 23:17:01

[quote8b661fa246="JJPRO11"]im surprised at all this.. his g/f went green instantly the day after i paid.. maybe you guys need to be a bit more patient with him.. i do not like whenever people ignore pms though.. there is no excuse for that.[/quote8b661fa246]

Absolutely agree. As I said, I have been yellow for realtorKen, like forever!! but at least there has been communication.
Honestly, I hope we all are completely wrong regarding this. I hope we all get greens wink

wood

02-04-2005 23:32:37

whens the last time hes been online?

Skeeter

03-04-2005 00:15:20

Last contact I had with him was Wed Mar 30, 2005 1100 am through PM

He did the following sites for me

freeipodshuffle goat@artlililililial.com Yellow PayPal him $20.00
freepsps goat@artlililililial.com Yellow PayPal him $20.00

chillywilly

03-04-2005 07:38:53

freeminimacs ----------- deadheart@artlilililililililililial.com (went green)

I PayPal'd him right away.

StrictlyBallin24

03-04-2005 10:27:31

paid $15 4freespot - frankred@glililililililililiclan.com - Yellow
paid $15 applefree4u - frankred@glililililililililiclan.com - Yellow

i'll show you some PM's in a second to show you what i mean by dodging my question.

StrictlyBallin24

03-04-2005 10:36:37

here are the PM's back and forth

[quote9af22494ed]From StrictlyBallin24
To deadheart
Posted Thu Mar 31, 2005 713 pm
Subject Which Offers?
Hey what offer did your GF do for 4freespot and what offer did she do for AppleFree4U? Neither of them have gone green Sad.[/quote9af22494ed]

[quote9af22494ed]From deadheart
To StrictlyBallin24
Posted Thu Mar 31, 2005 732 pm
Subject Re Which Offers? Quote message
I signed up under you too and i did some webhosting one, and so did she.[/quote9af22494ed]

total lie. the newest email addy on my list is frankred@glililililililiclan.com

[quote9af22494ed]From StrictlyBallin24
To deadheart
Posted Thu Mar 31, 2005 734 pm
Subject Re Which Offers?
yeah, but which webhosting one? also, which offer for applefree4u?
View user's profile AIM Address[/quote9af22494ed]

[quote9af22494ed]From deadheart
To StrictlyBallin24
Posted Thu Mar 31, 2005 735 pm
Subject Re Which Offers? Quote message
Yeah i thought the site was interesting, and signed up forgot to replac her refferal link so i signed upnder you thanks[/quote9af22494ed]

what on earth does that mean? not to mention he dodged the question... [b9af22494ed]again[/b9af22494ed]. this was the last i heard from him although ive seen him online a few times afterwards.

[quote9af22494ed]From StrictlyBallin24
To deadheart
Posted Thu Mar 31, 2005 740 pm
Subject Re Which Offers?
but my question was which web hosting offer did you choose? also which offer did you/she do on applefree4u?[/quote9af22494ed]

[quote9af22494ed]From StrictlyBallin24
To deadheart
Posted Fri Apr 01, 2005 637 pm
Subject Re Which Offers?
but my question was which web hosting offer did you choose? also which offer did you/she do on applefree4u?[/quote9af22494ed]

both of those last 2 PM's he read but did not respond to.

damac

03-04-2005 10:41:14

i prepaid him for these on 29th i think.

tech4free.com
autotech4free.com
pctech4free.com

Thatch

03-04-2005 13:50:09

I also paid him for some sites. He went green right away on freeflatscreens, but I am still waiting on two signups he did for me on dvrs4free. It has been over a week and they have not gon green yet. I am still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and wait the full 10 days to see if they go green. Hopefully, I am not out the money.

josiemcd

03-04-2005 14:13:56

Thatch, what email= did he use for freeflatscreens? Because he signed up under me too... email=goat@artof...comgoat@artof...com did he use for freeflatscreens? Because he signed up under me too... email=goat@artof...comgoat@artof...com/email

Thatch

03-04-2005 14:48:32

He used email==frankred@girlz...comfrankred@girlz...com=frankred@girlz...comfrankred@girlz...com/email. So it was a different one. He may have gotten himself in trouble though by using the same computer. I know they check IP addresses.

chillywilly

03-04-2005 14:55:10

I'm going with the giving benefit of the doubt here.

As for different emails, I use a few, depending on the free site I'm on. It helps in keeping track of what sites I signed up for. I normally use the same email address I used to sign up for the site and the offer I do related to that site. This could be what deadheart is doing.

As long as he's not signing up multiple times on the same site, we should all be ok, at least that's my hope.

pinkledeez

03-04-2005 15:03:12

[quote365dcce068="chillywilly"]I'm going with the giving benefit of the doubt here.[/quote365dcce068]

I agree with this too, but it's looking more and more suspicious to me after reading everyone's posts.

He deserves a chance, but we deserve an explanation.

I'm going to contact the owner of artofwarcentral (through both e-mail and fax) and see if I get a response.

I will let you guys know what I find out.

sweeedfish

03-04-2005 15:08:24

I personally think he's a scammer, but haha, thats me. Luckily I didnt do any trades with him, he wanted me to pay first and I wouldn't so he didn't want to trade with me.

chillywilly

03-04-2005 15:47:21

[quote34b5accd4f="pinkledeez"]He deserves a chance, but we deserve an explanation.[/quote34b5accd4f]
I agree. Let us know what you find out.

Avsrock90

03-04-2005 16:08:25

If you guys really think he is a scammer, you should take action with Paypal ASAP. I was a victim of over $600 in Paypal fraud....once you pay them and they take the money out of their account and put it into the bank account, Paypal won't do anything. They won't take it out of their bank account, or even notify his credit card company. My advice would be to contact Paypal ASAP, [u6ebe3cebf7]if he is really a scammer[/u6ebe3cebf7], because Paypal > Bank Transfers take a few days to clear. I can't vouch for his legitimacy, but if he actually is a scammer, Paypal can do nothing once the cash is out of the account, so keep that in mind.

Admin

03-04-2005 16:19:31

[quote495fa572fd="pinkledeez"]
... yadda ...

I doubt that. This person isn't ANONYMOUS and I could always dispute the charge with paypal.[/quote495fa572fd]

Wrongo!
PayPal's protection services apply only to physical items shipped from one location to another. Intangible goods and services are not covered at all.

Sorry!

flatline

03-04-2005 17:24:41

I've got his AOL s/n - I'll message him telling him to get on the forums for you guys.

sublogic_k

03-04-2005 17:40:42

I paid him $25 for a green earlier this week. /

I gotta check out the shady traders board more.

Archi1

03-04-2005 22:29:31

I guess contacting him through AIM to get on the forums and put out the fire didn't work?

pinkledeez

04-04-2005 07:33:57

please read my original thread as I have updated it D

Skeeter

04-04-2005 09:10:48

Thanks for the update Pinkledeez!
At least that's some good news.

Archi1

04-04-2005 10:45:53

That's decent news. I wonder if you told that site owner that deadheart has left a dozen of us out in the cold?
The site owner only addressed your offer specifically. Do we all need to write him?
Also, who's to say deadheart isn't the owner/operator or administrator of that website?

chillywilly

04-04-2005 11:03:19

Thanks for the update, pinkledeez.

I'll find out this week if his green on my FreeMiniMacs.com is good. Just went into approval this morning.

pinkledeez

04-04-2005 11:23:45

[quote73e6fd85b2="Archi1"]Also, who's to say deadheart isn't the owner/operator or administrator of that website?[/quote73e6fd85b2]
Unless he has dual personalities, I don't that's the case. Let me reiterate that the owner of the site responded in [b73e6fd85b2]LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES[/b73e6fd85b2] after I sent my e-mail.
My best guess is that it's his son who convinced him to use the paypal account and that perhaps he got in over his head with all the deals he made in the past week.

[quote73e6fd85b2="Archi1"]I wonder if you told that site owner that deadheart has left a dozen of us out in the cold? The site owner only addressed your offer specifically. Do we all need to write him?
[/quote73e6fd85b2]

When I wrote the letter, I nomniated myself as an ambassador of the site )
I will post it below. I replaced personal and redundant information with [i73e6fd85b2]Italics[/i73e6fd85b2]

[quote73e6fd85b2="My Letter"]To the owner of [i73e6fd85b2]THE WEBSITE[/i73e6fd85b2],

My name is [i73e6fd85b2]my real name[/i73e6fd85b2] and I am a member of the forum on FreeIpodGuide.com In case youíre not familiar with the site, itís a place where people like me gather to discuss "free" online offers (e.g. http//www.freeipods.com). In order to get an item for free, you must sign up at the website, complete an offer (like Blockbuster Online) and then have a certain number of friends (a.k.a. referrals) do the same.

Most people find it difficult to get ALL the referrals needed though. Thatís where the forum website comes into use. People discuss what they need and offer trades with one another. It can be handled trade for trade or cash for trade.

When a successful trade is made, then a +1 is added to the userís trade record. Creating a trade record helps establish a certain amount of trust between users.

[b73e6fd85b2]This is why Iím writing you[/b73e6fd85b2] I--and several other members of the site--are beginning to suspect that someone from your company has accepted cash for trades but does not intend to keep their promise. The userís name on our forum is [b73e6fd85b2]deadheart[/b73e6fd85b2].

After building up a trade record of +13, he made the following post
[i73e6fd85b2]I pasted the thread here where deadheart offered trades for money[/i73e6fd85b2]

I sent deadheart a private message to establish a deal for two free sites. He agreed that if I sent him $35.00 to [i73e6fd85b2]paypal at artofwarcentral[/i73e6fd85b2], then he would sign up and complete those sites for me.

After paying him the money and sending him the links to sign up under the site, he did nothing. The next day, I sent him a friendly reminder to please sign up. He did and used the e-mail [i73e6fd85b2]goat artofwarcentral[/i73e6fd85b2].

However, here we are six days later and he hasnít completed his requirements. More alarming, he has chosen to ignore all my correspondence (e-mails and private messages on the forum). Heís doing this to other members of the forum as well. Iím sure you can understand or apprehensiveness since we have sent him over $200 in money yet he has shown no sign of completing his end of the deal.

I hope this has all been just a misunderstanding. I wanted to bring it to your attention in case you were unaware of the situation.

Since he has used your businessís account to get the money, I would also like to ask that you please have this person either refund the money or complete the offers. Either way, if he could provide a response in our forum, that would help alleviate the thought of foul play.

I will be more than happy to discuss this issue further if you need to contact me.

Thanks for you time,


[i73e6fd85b2]my real name[/i73e6fd85b2]
[i73e6fd85b2]my e-mail[/i73e6fd85b2]
C [i73e6fd85b2]my cell number[/i73e6fd85b2]

P.S. For reference, the last three numbers of my paypal transaction are 202[/quote73e6fd85b2]

hexmonkey

04-04-2005 11:33:50

Looks like he signed up multiple times with the same email. I paid him (foolishly) $20 on Mar 28 for MP3Players4Free. He signed up with

frankred@glililililililin.com

And so far, no green. Looks like I'm SOL.

steve30000

04-04-2005 11:37:02

Hey pinkledeez, nicely worded letter! you do have one spelling mistake though ;-)

StrictlyBallin24

04-04-2005 11:45:05

you should have included a link to this thread in the email so the guy u sent the email to can see all the people deadheart has scammed.

Diggety

04-04-2005 11:46:49

Thanks Pinkledeez for the letter and for the follow up on this. Deadheart is still showing up as incomplete for me. Do we have a physical address for the artofwar business?

flatline

04-04-2005 12:37:44

His AIM is DeadHeart188a

StrictlyBallin24

04-04-2005 17:35:05

[quote35c2f3f5e5="flatline"]His AIM is DeadHeart188a[/quote35c2f3f5e5]

really? his profile says dallas188a

flatline

04-04-2005 17:51:55

It's the AIM I use to talk to him.

StrictlyBallin24

04-04-2005 18:07:41

well looks who's online as of 6 minutes ago

[600250]http/" alt=""/img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/StrictlyBallin24/deadheart2.jpg[/imgf7566d98f6]

and to think... he didnt even respond to this topic (

Archi1

04-04-2005 18:20:42

I think that's all I need to see. I think we need to tell the owner of artofwar.com that we are about to report his paypal account. I think he and deadheart are the same person anyway.
I think we should register with his site and alert anyone who frequents it that deadheart is a scammer. I think anyone who registered at any site for him ( I did two) should contact the the sites to alert them that he is a fraud. Anyone else who did a site for him should do the same. I'm giving him until midnight- just over 3.5 hours to respond and clear things up, then I am going to work. Who's with me?

deadheart

04-04-2005 18:22:40

Hey guys i got busy at work so never got to make this post.. I gave up on this site a few days ago.. Many of you some who even posted in this thread, have seen me go green, and do a legit transation i have signed up on everyones account, If it didnt go green im sorry but i did do all the offers, and i do have the products, and cc statments to prove it. As for why i give up on this site, i first came here beliveing because you have good rep means you are legit, i found out thats not true, as even some that are posting on this thread when i gave away $45 to each person who goes green on Notebooks, only 3 of you went green, and i send out 9 x $45.

I got ripped off big time, and i dont have time to follow up with everyone i work alot. I gave up i will not be going to this site anymore. There are plenty of you who made money on me, and got greens, just to rip me off. If i ever get paid back to all of them go green, then maybe i will come back.

As of thoes who say i havent green and i ripped you off. Thats not true i bought an offer on each and every person who sent me money. If it didnt go green you need to take that up with the webpage as i allready talked to a few of them and they say they dont guerentie the offers to go green, And im allready out alot of money not going to spend more.

If you want to take this to legal action I'm all for it as well, as i want my money back aswell!

Thanks
DeadHeart

deadheart

04-04-2005 18:27:22

Harbo4444 li yahoo li Yes Yes
puckrusliaolli Yes Yes
joelimegacoupeli Yes No
anishpopatlihotmailliYes Yes
r_angelo715liyahooli Yes No
slowdownlispeedfreaksli Yes No
chris.stigletsligmailli Yes No
poceterolihotmailli Yes No
freeipodstuffnowliyahooli Yes No
archi1liflash.net Yes No
Greetzieeliclansitemanagerli Yes No

deadheart

04-04-2005 18:29:51

[quote6dc9a8d7d5="deadheart"]Harbo4444 li yahoo li Yes Yes
puckrusliaolli Yes Yes
joelimegacoupeli Yes No
anishpopatlihotmailliYes Yes
r_angelo715liyahooli Yes No
slowdownlispeedfreaksli Yes No
chris.stigletsligmailli Yes No
poceterolihotmailli Yes No
freeipodstuffnowliyahooli Yes No
archi1liflash.net Yes No
Greetzieeliclansitemanagerli Yes No[/quote6dc9a8d7d5]

As you can see there are even people in here posting ready to hang me.. Has never went green on notebooks which i paid them $45 for.. So bring it on, and i will contest every paypal charge back, and my boss agrees after showing him everything. And all the CC charges, and every offer i completed, we both agree, if anyone got ripped off it was me, and the greens that didnt happen are from the free sites who didnt post them green

Thanks

deadheart

04-04-2005 18:31:44

As for StrictlyBallin24 i have a copy of our paypals debt card of the offers i compleed under your reffer, where they charged me would you like to see a copy of that aswell?

Archi1

04-04-2005 18:33:20

Hmmm.
All I know is that I went green for you on two sites.
You have gone green for me on one so I have been giving you the benefit of the doubt. However, the only person who can "take it up" with the sites you registered at is you. They won't listen to us. Your girlfriend was supposed to do my freeipodshuffle and pvps4free.
What offer did she do for pvps4free? Send me the welcome email she got. I'm sorry but I have a hard time believing this whole thing. If you want to send me back the $15 I paid you for pvps, then I will forgive and forget. If the green on freeipodshuffle doesn't pan out then at least it was green anyway so I won't ask for my money back on that one. BUT pvps is not and has not gone green. There are waaaaay to many folks posting here that say you didn't go green for them. I have a hard time believing that you did ALL of the offers you were paid for and only a few of them got credited. There are way more that didn't go green than did. Something is not right. I am still willing to believe you but you speak of people who screwed you. You cannot tell me that I did. I can prove I gave you greens on notebooks and handbags.
LMK

deadheart

04-04-2005 18:36:11

[quotef35cfcc034="Archi1"]That sounds kind of convenient.
All I know is that I went green for you on two sites.
You have gone green for me on one so I have been giving you the benefit of the doubt. However, the only person who can "take it up" with the sites you registered at is you. They won't listen to us. Your girlfriend was supposed to do my freeipodshuffle and pvps4free.
What offer did she do for pvps4free? Send me the welcome email she got. I'm sorry but I have a hard time believing this whole thing. If you want to send me back the $15 I paid you for pvps, then I will forgive and forget. If the green on freeipodshuffle doesn't pan out then at least it was green anyway so I won't ask for my money back on that one. BUT pvps is not and has not gone green. There are waaaaay to many folks posting here that say you didn't go green for them. I have a hard time believing that you did ALL of the offers you were paid for and only a few of them got credited. There are way more that didn't go green than did. Something is not right.[/quotef35cfcc034]


She did whiteing teeth stuff, and if thats true about only the person who signed up can talka bout getting greens.. Then why arent these other 6 people getting green on the sign ups for me..

Again, why continue something if everyone espects you to do it, and the community here doesnt care if i pay out $45 x 9 for only 6 to hold there offer.

Archi1

04-04-2005 18:37:54

Okay... call out the folks who have not gone green for you and let them defend themselves and perhaps talk to the sites to get you your greens.
It may still be possible to salvage this mess if people cooperate.

deadheart

04-04-2005 18:42:53

And if i was ripping people off, then why would i have lost money?

And i why would I have green for so many others. But only leave out a few?


Or how about im telling the truth and give up on this site because its bs, people only care about themselfs, and dont care that i lost alot of money, and only care about there offers being completed.. Why is no one going after these other 6 guys? Why is no one making a big effort to ensure there greens on the sites they signed up for me?

HHMMM they only want to worry about themselfs.. as i said before i give up, look at you argueing about 2 sites that i signed up for just havent gone green yet, And what do you have on me?

I paid you allready $45 + $25

I am the one loosing everything here. Im not loosing any more

deadheart

04-04-2005 18:43:42

[quoteb456bb8c3c="Archi1"]Okay... call out the folks who have not gone green for you and let them defend themselves and perhaps talk to the sites to get you your greens.
It may still be possible to salvage this mess if people cooperate.[/quoteb456bb8c3c]

You are one.. $45 i paid you for notebooks why are you not green?

deadheart

04-04-2005 18:45:15

[quote9fe4acabf5="deadheart"][quote9fe4acabf5="Archi1"]Okay... call out the folks who have not gone green for you and let them defend themselves and perhaps talk to the sites to get you your greens.
It may still be possible to salvage this mess if people cooperate.[/quote9fe4acabf5]

You are one.. $45 i paid you for notebooks why are you not green?[/quote9fe4acabf5]


Yes You gave me $30 to go green on what 2 sites, i did thoes but let jsut say for argument sake they dont go green.. You owe me $15...

deadheart

04-04-2005 18:46:32

[quotef4d12ebe02="deadheart"][quotef4d12ebe02="deadheart"][quotef4d12ebe02="Archi1"]Okay... call out the folks who have not gone green for you and let them defend themselves and perhaps talk to the sites to get you your greens.
It may still be possible to salvage this mess if people cooperate.[/quotef4d12ebe02]

You are one.. $45 i paid you for notebooks why are you not green?[/quotef4d12ebe02]


Yes You gave me $30 to go green on what 2 sites, i did thoes but let jsut say for argument sake they dont go green.. You owe me $15...[/quotef4d12ebe02]


If you arent going to go green then why dont you take that money you made off of me.. And pay it to some one else.. Wait greed kicks in i should be the only one who pay out.. Like im some kind of casino

Archi1

04-04-2005 18:47:31

Hmmm!
Good point.
I did miracle burn and it says my status is pending. I will contact the site and ask them what the problem is. I have my confirmation email that I can send you.
Since I am not doing that site I was unaware that I had not yet gone green. Maybe before you gave up on this site you should have contacted those who had not gone green for you. I am willing to work for you. You paid me so I will get you a green. Do you want a copy of my confirmation email from Miracle burn?

Skeeter

04-04-2005 18:49:36

I agree with Archi1, you have to take that matter up with those guys that did not go green for you not us, the people that paid you for referrals.

I thought it's understood that if you pay someone for a referral, that person is suppose to go green for you, NOT YELLOW. I mean I can get yellows all day long if that's what I wanted.

It's only fair that you deal with the people that did not go green for you seperately than drag the people that actually paid you into this mess.

Diggety

04-04-2005 18:49:51

[quoteceec044381="deadheart"][quoteceec044381="Archi1"]That sounds kind of convenient.
All I know is that I went green for you on two sites.
You have gone green for me on one so I have been giving you the benefit of the doubt. However, the only person who can "take it up" with the sites you registered at is you. They won't listen to us. Your girlfriend was supposed to do my freeipodshuffle and pvps4free.
What offer did she do for pvps4free? Send me the welcome email she got. I'm sorry but I have a hard time believing this whole thing. If you want to send me back the $15 I paid you for pvps, then I will forgive and forget. If the green on freeipodshuffle doesn't pan out then at least it was green anyway so I won't ask for my money back on that one. BUT pvps is not and has not gone green. There are waaaaay to many folks posting here that say you didn't go green for them. I have a hard time believing that you did ALL of the offers you were paid for and only a few of them got credited. There are way more that didn't go green than did. Something is not right.[/quoteceec044381]


She did whiteing teeth stuff, and if thats true about only the person who signed up can talka bout getting greens.. Then why arent these other 6 people getting green on the sign ups for me..

Again, why continue something if everyone espects you to do it, and the community here doesnt care if i pay out $45 x 9 for only 6 to hold there offer.[/quoteceec044381]

This has nothing to do with me. This was my first time trading with you. So I am sorry that 9 people didnt go green for you, but I wasnt one of those people. We made an agreement, I pay you $15 and you go green for my PSPS4Free account. I payed up front because you looked like reputable trader. You still have yet to go green. So what did I get out of this deal? For a transaction or deal to be final we each have to get what we wanted out of the deal. You got what you wanted, I didnt get what I wanted. Your previous experiances with other traders has nothing to do with our transaction. I can not complain to OC for this, it is something you have to do from your end. If you are not willing to do that then you should complete another offer for me, or give me my money back. My paypal is Dbrennan17@lililimail.com. I made a payment to JLR Technologies Inc on 3/28 175920 PST. Let me know how you want to resolve this.

deadheart

04-04-2005 18:50:28

[quote1c1e3ae83b="Archi1"]Okay... call out the folks who have not gone green for you and let them defend themselves and perhaps talk to the sites to get you your greens.
It may still be possible to salvage this mess if people cooperate.[/quote1c1e3ae83b]


If you want to see more names that have +7 rating who made deals with me and never held up there end but i help up my end looks at this post

http//www.freeipodguide.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=82930&highlight=#82930

There are atleast 9 people posted in that thread either i posted there name and they have never went green.. Yes some of you did, and you know im not lying, i held my agreement with everyone, fast, but egnough is egnough.

PoPoJiJo

04-04-2005 18:50:29

can you please remove my email and replace it with my sn, I try and keep it out of the forum and only with people I trade with so I don't have to deal with scammers.
thanks and sorry that you feel screwed and well I feel for everyone in this situation

Archi1

04-04-2005 18:53:07

OC sites say I have to wait 10 business days. I signed up on 3/29 so it's only been 3 business days. I think maybe the problem here is that we are ALL jumping the gun. You seem responsive which is good. Let's work to make things right. Can you send me the confirmation email from the teeth whitening order you placed?
I will tell you this, if you don't get a green from me, I'll send your money back. As you have seen though... I did go green on handbags.
I think you and I are both 1 for 2.
Keep in touch, don't dissapear again and if you don't have your green in 7 more business days, I'll either get it for you, complete a different offer or send your money back. Will you do the same for me?

deadheart

04-04-2005 18:53:10

[quotec6d27c73b0="Archi1"]Hmmm!
Good point.
I did miracle burn and it says my status is pending. I will contact the site and ask them what the problem is. I have my confirmation email that I can send you.
Since I am not doing that site I was unaware that I had not yet gone green. Maybe before you gave up on this site you should have contacted those who had not gone green for you. I am willing to work for you. You paid me so I will get you a green. Do you want a copy of my confirmation email from Miracle burn?[/quotec6d27c73b0]

It doesnt matter i have alot of work to do i dont have time to follow up tomake sure you guys do you part in a deal.. That is why you have a good rating, that is why i gave up this site is not setup right just because you ahve a good rating doesnt mean anything.

Archi1

04-04-2005 18:55:09

See, this is where it breaks down then. We/ I am willing to work with you to make sure you got what you paid for. AND I have no doubt you will. However, you won't offer me/us the same courtesy.
In the end, you will probably get all your greens you paid for but will we get ours?
If you just dissapear then we wont.

deadheart

04-04-2005 18:55:15

[quoted3493c7946="Archi1"]OC sites say I have to wait 10 business days. I signed up on 3/29 so it's only been 3 business days. I think maybe the problem here is that we are ALL jumping the gun. You seem responsive which is good. Let's work to make things right. Can you send me the confirmation email from the teeth whitening order you placed?
I will tell you this, if you don't get a green from me, I'll send your money back. As you have seen though... I did go green on handbags.
I think you and I are both 1 for 2.
Keep in touch, don't dissapear again and if you don't have your green in 7 more business days, I'll either get it for you, complete a different offer or send your money back. Will you do the same for me?[/quoted3493c7946]


WoW some one acctually reading the rules like i did, and was waitng for 10 days, and i event contacted them early on some cases they tell me i have to wait and on one they say just because you signed up for an offer we dont gurenntie to go green..

As why i give up its all a big ripp off.;

PoPoJiJo

04-04-2005 18:58:22

no deadheart you are just impatient, I am impartial on this since I had good trades with you, however you have to understand that just because gratis or oc says you will receive credit within a certain # of days doesn't mean you will there have been several time I have not received credit for offers I have completed but the people I have traded with have been patient and waited for me to sort things out with customer service and I eventually got credit. I have also had instant that have taken 8+ days to credit...

Archi1

04-04-2005 18:58:31

Deadheart
To me you are taking the convenient way out. All I know is that I am always here. I never dissapear and I am good on my word. You'll get what you paid for. Why are you so eager to give up if you have invested so much money? It just doesn't make sense.

deadheart

04-04-2005 18:58:41

[quotebf4c9c9517="Archi1"]See, this is where it breaks down then. We/ I am willing to work with you to make sure you got what you paid for. AND I have no doubt you will. However, you won't offer me/us the same courtesy.
In the end, you will probably get all your greens you paid for but will we get ours?
If you just dissapear then we wont.[/quotebf4c9c9517]

As i said in my orginal post if all the crap i got ripped off on here goes legit i will deffeintly make up my part or refund the money.. but the fact is.. These are people with good ratings 10 total on notebooks i made deals with including you, and 3 are green, the odds are alone this will never happen.. That why i say i give up.. but if you guys want to go though everyon listed on that site that i said made the deal and sent $45 to and they go green. Then i will make sure and my boss will enforce everyone will get paid back or green!

Archi1

04-04-2005 19:03:07

All I am saying is that if you were paid then you should go green or refund the money.
If I don't go green, I'll refund your money.
You cannot take everyone on this site and say
"x" number of people didn't go green so I don't owe it to anyone to make sure I go green for them.
That isn't right. If you want to wait for me to go green and then make sure you go green for me, that's fine but you owe it to the people who paid you to come clean with greens or money, just like they owe it to you. BUT I think we all need to wait a few more days to see if some greens show up. Just don't dissapear again. That's what got everyone in an uproar in the first place.

slowdown

04-04-2005 19:12:04

[quote63692fe627="deadheart"]Harbo4444 li yahoo li Yes Yes
puckrusliaolli Yes Yes
joelimegacoupeli Yes No
anishpopatlihotmailliYes Yes
r_angelo715liyahooli Yes No
[[b63692fe627]slowdownlispeedfreaksli Yes No[/b63692fe627]
chris.stigletsligmailli Yes No
poceterolihotmailli Yes No
freeipodstuffnowliyahooli Yes No
archi1liflash.net Yes No
Greetzieeliclansitemanagerli Yes No[/quote63692fe627]

If you show me that you payed me any money whatsoever i will send twice that amount to you. never did you send me paypal we had a trade that you never completed. if you are going to try to defend yourself by saying you got scamed and payed for greens that you never got use the true info to do it

megacoupe

04-04-2005 19:28:08

I guess I'll be the next one to defend myself

deadheart paid me $45 to do notebooks4free. Here's the screenshot of my status with the date circled, taken just a few minutes ago

[600250]http//www.megacoupe.com/images/petchewstatus.jpg[" alt=""/img54d05fe6f5]

Here's a pic of the PetChews package and receipt I received with the date circled

[img="54d05fe6f5][600250]http//www.megacoupe.com/images/petchews.jpg[" alt=""/img54d05fe6f5]

It's evident from these pieces of evidence that I have fulfilled my end of the bargain by completing an offer. If it doesn't go green by the 2-week mark (at the end of this week), I will gladly email OC and ask them to check on it.

As for the freeipods signup I'm waiting on from deadheart the terms I made earlier still stand; as soon as it goes green, you get $25 through Paypal.


To address deadheart's accusations

I think you are being too impatient. Yes, you did pay $45 per referral, but you can't expect them to go through immediately. Most of the offers are not instant offers. When you get to the 2-3 week mark without a green, you then have a valid claim against someone. Until then, you just have to wait. And don't be so quick to give up on something just because it didn't go through immediately. Anyone with experience on these boards will tell you that patience is of the utmost importance when completing these website deals.

Archi1

04-04-2005 19:31:43

BTW- Deadheart, would you please remove my full email address from your post as well? I get enough junk mail without harvesters pulling it out of this forum.
Thanks

chillywilly

04-04-2005 20:11:58

[quote5510460367="PoPoJiJo"]no deadheart you are just impatient, I am impartial on this since I had good trades with you, however you have to understand that just because gratis or oc says you will receive credit within a certain # of days doesn't mean you will there have been several time I have not received credit for offers I have completed but the people I have traded with have been patient and waited for me to sort things out with customer service and I eventually got credit. I have also had instant that have taken 8+ days to credit...[/quote5510460367]
You make a very good point, PoPo. Not all instant offers are instant. I did an "instant offer" on Sat via a Gratis site and it didn't credit till this morning. I did another instant offer 30 mins after that one and it took 2 hrs to credit.

Being patient with these offers going through is important. I am one of those that had a quick and easy trade with deadheart and am imparitial to all of this, but at the same time, a bit of patience is needed with these companies. Anything under two weeks is not a crisis.

Maybe I'm being too nice for the 3 refs that are approaching the month without credit.

Archi1

04-04-2005 20:44:17

I guess we'll see if Deaheart returns. He seemed all to eager to 'give up' on this site.
I have some additional thoughts that don't add up in my mind but before I air them, I will give deadheart every opportunity to work with this forum to solve these isssues if indeed there are issues.
I just hope he doesn't dissapear again.

pinkledeez

04-04-2005 20:44:46

Well Guys,

I planned to post what happened to me this afternoon, but it looks like you got a pretty good idea.

After lunch, I received this e-mail from deadheart

[quote75f342fd9d="deadheart"]I will not be refunding money to anyone; I completed the offers some didn't
go green that they need to take up with those sites. And if you want to talk
about rip offs on your site. I'm out over $400 and only gotten 5 greens, and
the rest were held for fraud... As soon as I started seeing this, I stopped
all trades, If you get all your other members to pay me back first, then I
will pay back the rest of them, other wise take me to court.

Thanks[/quote75f342fd9d]

As you can imagine, I was disheartened by reading this e-mail. I tried to plead my case to him with the e-mail below
(as before, I replaced personal info with italics)

[quote75f342fd9d="pinkledee's response"]Dear [i75f342fd9d]deadheart[/i75f342fd9d],

Thank you for responding. I apologize for contacting your boss, but you must understand I was (and still am) very concerned

that I paid out money and got nothing in return.

Let me tell you a little about myself [i75f342fd9d]some personal info about me[/i75f342fd9d] Although I make a decent paycheck every month, I

didn't grow up rich and I'm always looking for a good deal. And what better deal is free, right?

I started by completing freegreengamemachine.com, then freeipods.com and then freegamingsystems.com

Next on my list is FreeDesktopPC (for me) and FreeHandbags (for my wife). I didn't even know about the website's "trading

post" till a couple of months ago and--other than trying to make some honest trades--I am in no way affiliated with it.

The reason I'm saying all this is because I want you to understand that you're lashing out at the wrong person (and I may

not be the only one).

I'm sorry you had a negative experience there and--if anything--it's made me question future trades. However, why should my

wallet be made to suffer?

Could we please end this situation amicably?

Honestly, I just want my offers to go green (and not turn grey). However, if you're too sour on this trading issue, then

please at least refund my $35. I worked hard for it.

I will still be more than happy to discuss this issue over the phone if you wish to talk.

Thank you for your time,

[i75f342fd9d]My name and number[/i75f342fd9d]
[/quote75f342fd9d]

This was his last response to me

[quote75f342fd9d="deadheart"]Sir that site has ripped off $400 to me, I don't have any more money to give
to anyone, and if I did I would. That site is full of ripping people off, my
family and I have given up on it.

Thanks[/quote75f342fd9d]

I feel for the guy...but I think he flew off the handle once he tried to get approved for the notebooks and it didn't go through. It doesn't even sound like he tried to make an attempt to contact anyone after it happened.

I'm still trying to figure out if the post he left last week was started out as phony post or if it just became one once he felt he got screwed. He certainly had no problems taking MY MONEY and the fact he's blaming me for his demise is really unsettling.

Anyway, it's late, I've got work tomorrow and will just deal with this as necessary.

TioTony

04-04-2005 22:03:39

[b316a977460]Patience[/b316a977460][/size316a977460].[/color316a977460] [u316a977460]I will say one more time[/u316a977460] I'm still waiting to green up [b316a977460]MYSELF[/b316a977460] on an offer that I did (for another user) almost three weeks ago or so. We never know when Gratis or OC credit the accounts.
[u316a977460][b316a977460]GREENS OFTEN TAKE TIME[/b316a977460][/size316a977460][/color316a977460][/u316a977460]. It will undoubtedly take time for deadheart, for me (TioTony) and for everyone else.

[u316a977460][b316a977460]deadheart[/b316a977460][/u316a977460] don't get mad. As for my part, my ref on your notebooks will eventually go green, [i316a977460]the offer [b316a977460]was [/b316a977460]completed[/i316a977460], even though it might still appear yellow. On your part, you're still yellow on my freePhoto & Cameras4 (just as much as I am yellow for you!), and you might as well have completed the offer too.
As I meant on my first post, [b316a977460]GREENS TAKE TIME[/b316a977460] !

So, EVERYONE, let's just calm down and wait !! Let's not jump on deadhart like that, anyways.
It's the best we can do, [b316a977460]WAIT[/color316a977460][/b316a977460] . One by one, the greens will show up, I'm sure.

Skeeter

04-04-2005 22:13:05

I too feel sorry for the guy but don't take this out on the people that paid you for greens!!!
We legitimately paid you for greens but because of some unfortunate events that happened to you, don't take this out on the rest us. I paid you $40.00 for 2 sites but instead got 2 yellows.

I guess people around here don't understand the concept of "the trade", if you pay for a green/referral that person IS SUPPOSE to go green for you. Otherwise, refund the money because you didn't live up to your end of the deal!! Is that so hard to understand?!

Hey pinkledeez,
Look on the bright side, at least you're not out $40.00

Archi1

04-04-2005 22:41:35

I agree with what everyone is saying about patience but I also caution that if someone were attempting to scam a large group of people and get away with it, this is how to do it. Get everyone feeling sorry for you.
NOW before deadheart or anyone else accuses me of saying that deadheart is indeed a scammer, realize that I am only cautioning everyone to not get too far on one side of the fence or the other. Let's see what happens.
A couple things to note-
1. I requested a copy of the welcome email from deadheart showing he completed the offer he said he/his girlfriend did. I did not receive this. Now, I don't expect deadheart to have to do this for everyone at this point so I decided not to persue it. Especially since I am also still yellow on his offer. BUT Note that I offered to send him a copy of my welcome email from the offer I completed.
2. I do not understand how deadheart could use a supposid employers paypal verified premier business account to receive payments and his employer have no knowledge of what his 'employee' was doing until today when he received a message from a forum member. How was deadheart getting the money out of the account? Wouldn't the money have to go direct deposit into a verified bank account or snail mail to the account holder? My point is that there appears to be more to the story that we don't know. It may be as simple as deadheart is somehow involved in the ownership of artofwarcentral.com OR it is owned by a family member or something. The point is that he is an 'employee' who has to be able to access that private business account. In the end, it really doesn't matter a hill of beans as long as he goes green. I couldn't care less. I hope this is all a big misunderstanding and that everyone goes green for everyone else. I hope he get's his notebook computer and everyone else get's what they expect. I have no hard feelings for deadheart at this point.

deadheart

04-04-2005 23:36:30

Thats what im saying i have done for many others, but its not green yet.. but they say im ripping them off

deadheart

04-04-2005 23:44:00

[quote72e5f38564="deadheart"]Thats what im saying i have done for many others, but its not green yet.. but they say im ripping them off[/quote72e5f38564]

I was refferencing the guy that says hes defending himself..

Lets put it this way so people will stop thinking im scaming them..

I'am putting everything on this site on HOLD..

Meaning i will not be refunding, or going green for anyone else untill things start getting done on myside as well..

If you want to claim me for fraud.. You guys are saying the same thing i am..

You completed the offers, you got your products but no green..

I have done the same thing Right after this post i will clear all my pms which i havent read but scimed though them..

Finsh up some work,

then i will come back and if you send me the site i signed up for you, I will replay or even if better i will do both and show proof in here that offer was completed.

If its not green. Then like you guys are saying to me.. Tough or Wait...

Thanks

sweeedfish

04-04-2005 23:49:22

this looks like a fun mess to be caught up in...

deadheart

05-04-2005 00:35:39

Here is another example. On how its being un fair that i am being called a fraud when others are going though the same thing, this is a pm i got, and i totaly agree with him, and i did complete his offers as he did mine..

And same with everyone else


Hi deadheart,

Sorry to hear about all the drama going on with the site. I know you've labeled everyone who hasn't gone green for your notebooks4free account as "scammers". Well, I am one of those. I mentioned to you, when I payed you to do a couple sites for me, that my cousin did your link as a favor to me. He completed the Star Club Rewards offer. I've been trading on this site for awhile and have never been scammed or scammed anyone else. And I've also been doing this stuff long enough to know that things don't always run as smoothly as I'd like. For this reason, I waited patiently for my cousin to go green for you, but I checked with him daily. I didn't PM or email you because I assumed that you understood that getting "greens" isn't always as simple as signing up and completing an offer. For some reason, sometimes you have to be persistent and email the site owners (Gratis, OC, etc.) to get credit for offers. Unfair?? Definitely, but also the nature of the beast.

For this same reason, I didn't ask you about the offers you did for me. When we first traded, you asked me to pay you in advance since I hadn't gone green for you yet. I did not hesitate and immediately sent you the money. When you didn't go green after a couple of days, I didn't label you as a scammer because I understood the process. You paid me $45 to complete your notebooks4free. I, in turn, paid you in advance $46 (as a show of good faith) to complete pvps4free and freeminimacs for me. I trust that you completed offers on those two sites for me and I hope you believe that I did the same for you. If I had not heard back from OC by the end of this week, I was going to send them an email to get credit, as well as update you on the status as a courtesy to you. However, what is disturbing to me is that you assumed that since I (among others in the forum) had not gone green for you, that you decided everyone on the board were automatically scammers and that you were ripped off. And that you were giving up without so much as a PM to those you were trading with. To me, that is very unfair.

As it stands now, I am the one in the loss since I paid you $46 to your $45. I understand that you are frustrated, but I believe that you have to be patient. The sites that require a higher number of referrals tend to be more difficult and time consuming. If you didn't have the time to follow up on offers you have completed, then you should not have traded with so many people. If you've even glanced at some of the other forums other than the "Trading Post", you would see them littered with people not getting credit, or getting credit after a MONTH, or people having to do multiple offers to get credit. Does it make sense??? No, but it is how things work sometimes.

I am still working to get credit for your notebooks4free account. If email=ing OC to get credit for Star Club Rewards doesn't work, then I will just have my cousin complete another offer. I would hope that you would extend me the same courtesy. Once again, I am not trying to scam you. Like you, I work long hours and sometimes don't get a chance to update people as often as I'd like about trades, but I would never leave a trade undone without discussing it with the person first. If you would like me to keep you updated on a daily basis, please PM me your email and I will do as you wish. However, if you have no intention of following up on the sites you signed up for under me, then please let me know, and I guess I will have to eat the $1 loss from our trade. I really want this to work out for the both of us, so please PMing OC to get credit for Star Club Rewards doesn't work, then I will just have my cousin complete another offer. I would hope that you would extend me the same courtesy. Once again, I am not trying to scam you. Like you, I work long hours and sometimes don't get a chance to update people as often as I'd like about trades, but I would never leave a trade undone without discussing it with the person first. If you would like me to keep you updated on a daily basis, please PM me your email and I will do as you wish. However, if you have no intention of following up on the sites you signed up for under me, then please let me know, and I guess I will have to eat the $1 loss from our trade. I really want this to work out for the both of us, so please PM/email me back to get things straightened out. Thank you for your time regarding this matter.

Regards,

-carpediem

deadheart

05-04-2005 00:44:13

Here is this guy offended that i labled him a scammer in my post to defend myself on here..

But we are in the same situation, yet everyone wants to hang me, what about these others.. Am I right to call them a scam because its not green yet? Are you right to call me a scammer because its not green right.

In this case alone.. Lets say neither one of our sites go green..

I owe him i belive a $1

But whos fault is this?

His site never went green on mine which was the first deal made $45 right there. Then few days later we made a new deal where he gave me $46 to do a few sites on my gf cc.

But how all this wouldnt be an issue if the free sites would just go green after you do an offer.. Which sounds like everyone who "ripped me off" using the deffention of thoes accusing me here. has done an offer just never turned green.. Which is the same i have done with others here, did an offer not green yet.. People want to hang me, but them its ok you are the scammer.

How fair is this site?

deadheart

05-04-2005 00:47:52

Just one more thing im not trying to offend carpediem or anyone else who say they complied and offer and its just not green yet.. But where are you when they are accusing me? You guys tell me takes.. time.. Why am i getting all these flames of fraud then? If everyone here knows it takes time.. Then why is this post really here? Why are you calling me fraud?

carpediem

05-04-2005 02:14:58

Bro,

First of all, I take no offense to what you have said about the people who have not greened for you on notebooks4free (which does include me). I'll be the first one to admit that free sites aren't perfect and this trading forum isn't perfect. That being said, I was not really offended that you labeled me as a scammer bc I understand that you had as much right as the people who were calling you a scammer in this thread. My point was that if you were planning on backing out on trades bc you felt this forum was a scam, you could have at least tried to resolve the situation by contacting people you had issues with, including myself, instead of labeling this forum as a scam and ignoring people trying to get a hold of you.

If you read some of the earlier posts in this thread, you should take note that there were people giving you the benefit of the doubt. There were people coming to your defense. The reason this thread exists in your case is because

a) You had multiple trades pending with many people
b) You are relatively new to this forum
c) People claimed that you weren't answering numerous PMs

You believe that you have been scammed??? Well everyone posting in this thread is afraid of it as well, and/or has had it happen to them in the past. Unfortunately, this leads to threads like this one that single out one person.

Now like I said in my PM to you, these things take time. People also mentioned this point within this thread. Why didn't I come to your defense??? Because, like you I sometimes work long hours and don't get a chance to get on this forum. In your post above, you make it seem as though I'm blaming you. The fact is that I'm not. Whose fault is it that we both haven't gone green on each other's sites??? It is no one's fault, but it is in the best interest of both of us to complete our trades so that we can each get closer to our goal of free stuff. If that means following up with OC or even completing another offer, then so be it. I've always believed that it is up to the person to make sure that he/she gets a green, instead of blaming it on the site owners (Gratis, OC, etc.). There really is no sense in that and it really gets you nowhere.

It seems the biggest reason behind this thread is lack of communication, so all I was trying to do in my PM to you was clear the air and clarify the uncertainty behind the trades we had agreed upon. If there was any hint of blame or offense on my part, then I apologize....it was not intended. I reread the PM I sent you and didn't feel like I accused you of anything. Sorry for the absurdly long post, but I just wanted everyone to see my side, as well as preserve my reputation.

Archi1

05-04-2005 07:56:50

I just wanna say this-
First, Deadheart, I don't think anyone is labeling you a scammer at this point. I think there was time people were because you were not communicating with anyone. This is a classic scammer move... make your money and dissapear. You are back now and I think everyone feels much more at ease that this will all work itself out. If you think I am labeling you a scammer, I am not. I am only trying to keep people level headed until things work themselves out.
I can tell you this... by the looks of the number of people who paid you, I cannot see how you lost any of your $400 that you paid out according to you. The point of this is that you are no more a victim in this than anyone else and that nobody should treat you like one.
Let's get everything resolved and then we can all be friends again. For now, I am gonna be cautious as you should be as well. Nobody is out of the woods yet.

StrictlyBallin24

05-04-2005 10:09:40

if there's one thing i've noticed about deadheart right now, it's that he's being a hypocrite (no offense man). he says that no one cares that he's out $400 from this site, but him packing up and leaving like this has only proven that he doesnt care about anyone. all he cares about right now is that he's out $400 and that's all that's on his mind. and another thing that i have noticed is that you're failing to bring up the trades where people have paid YOU first and YOU haven't gone green. again, all you care about is the people who havent gone green for you. no offense deadheart, but you really are being a hypocrite right now.

also, i would love to know what offer you completed for me at 4freespot and what offer you have completed for me at applefree4u. and as you stated on page 3 that you could show me proof, i would also like to see that. applefree4u claims that it can take 1-15 days to credit offers and 4freespot has told me to wait 7 days. today is the 7th day for 4freespot so if you can tell me what offer you completed along with proof, i will try my best to work with 4freespot to get you credit so you dont have to stress yourself out with that (an act of selflessness on my part). when the 15 day mark hits for applefree4u, if you can tell me what offer you did and show me the proof, i'll try to work with them to get you credit (another act of selflessness), but just packing up and leaving wont solve anything except have a bunch of people always breathing down your spine.

an english teacher once told me, "it's better to do what's hard in life because you will come out rewarded." this is a perfect example. if you actually tried to get everything situated, then maybe you might actually finish notebooks4free and you wont be out the $400 you say you're out. you also wont have all these angry people stalking you in every which way. everyone's happy.

one last thing... what will happen if you dont get credit on neither applefree4u or 4freespot?

josiemcd

05-04-2005 14:27:03

Ok so what is the next step? I'm out $20 for an offer that was never completed and my account could possibly be put on hold because deadheart might have signed up multiple times on the same computer...

What do you guys suggest at this point??? I'm a bit frustrated.

Archi1

05-04-2005 14:36:19

We need to hope he hasn't dissapeared. If not, maybe he can tell us if different computers were used for the offers he and his girlfriend signed up for. If he/she did this then perhaps we still have no issues. There is still time for things to go green.
Personally, I think the guy is gone and even if he isn't, he wont admit to either not doing offers or doing them on the same computer. He's already been roasted enough, do you really think he'd put himself through the additional criticism?
Anyway, if he comes back and addresses anything, I'd be surprised.

josiemcd

05-04-2005 15:11:14

Is there any way to get money refunded? Via PayPal or Art of War Central? I'm a bit upset that I'm out money because he decided that he was upset with the system and quit.

pinkledeez

05-04-2005 17:42:31

[quote4eed069007="Archi1"]We need to hope he hasn't dissapeared...[/quote4eed069007]

Don't rely too much on that hope. I e-mailed deadheat (and his boss) again this morning hoping we could "start over" with a clean slate.

I said I appreciated him telling his side of the story and ask if he could now let me know which offers he'd completed.

I got nothing in return. Again, a simple e-mail was all it took but he totally ignored it.

For those who paid money and want it back, [b4eed069007]I hope you're motivated![/b4eed069007] You're going to have a fight on your hands.

My best friend is an agent in the FBI and he said there's pretty much nothing you can do on the criminal side.

However, if you're like me and it's not so much about the money as it is the princple, then start looking into small claims court[=http//www.consumeraffairs.com/consumerism/small_claim_01.htm]small claims court. It's a small fee, it's built for minor monetary disputes and--if accepted--he will have to drive to your state to plead his case. If not, then you win by default.

He's challenged me to do it twice (once directly through e-mail and again indirectly on this forum).

Does anyone live in Tennesse? Knoxville? That's where he works.

Also, who's out the most money? I'm only out $35, but I know some people are out $40. Are they any others who might be out even more?

Just wondering b/c it might make your case stronger.

And let's say, I go to my local court and they decline the case...it's possible someone else in another court system will get a case.

If at least one person in this forum can get their money back, it'll be worth it.

If not, well I've learned a valuable lesson for only $35. lol

Archi1

05-04-2005 17:56:03

All I know is that I am gonna give the guy a reasonable amount of time to see if he really did do an offer. If he doesn't go green, I think the only way to impact him or anyone else in this matter is to contact paypal about the address he used to receive money.
BTW- I sent him $30

StrictlyBallin24

05-04-2005 18:58:44

you're right. looks like deadheart just made off with my $30. i just IM'd him and he blocked me. I IM'd him again on a diff SN and he responded...

Skeeter

05-04-2005 19:13:42

I think it's a lost cause now, trying to be reasonable and communicate with this guy. I will wait 1 week to see if his offers turn green for me after that I'm reporting him to PayPal and than report that business he used as his paypal "Art of War Central" account to the BBB.

So, I'll play the waiting game for awhile and be patient!

josiemcd

05-04-2005 19:31:08

Either way guys, I think it's better we stick together in this matter. A claim of "oh he ripped me off for $20" is not quite as compelling as "he has taken over $500 from members of this website." Let's keep this thread updated with the courses of action that we are going to take. I like the idea of waiting, and then I like the idea of contacting BBB and PayPal, and then I like the idea of small claims court, because at a last resort, at least it carries the "threat" of a snowball effect, in that if one of us wins a claim, he will be either compelled to refund us money or have the hassle of possibly dealing with other claims.

Anyways, yeah, let's just keep it posted.

Emenresu

05-04-2005 19:41:37

O the drama!!

pinkledeez

05-04-2005 20:25:56

[quotede32dd3dc4="Skeeter"]...used as his paypal "Art of War Central" account to the BBB.[/quotede32dd3dc4]

Noble thought, but they don't exactly have a shining record with the BBB[=http//www.knoxville.bbb.org/commonreport.html?compid=4400]a shining record with the BBB.

What's sad is that they're not even registered with the Better Business Bureau yet the BBB has an "unsatisfactory" record with them.

Should give you an idea of their work ethic. What a shame!

I'm all for us sticking together though ! !

Let's do our best to either get our money back or make these people think twice about scamming in the future.

steve30000

05-04-2005 20:32:08

I'm still not sure if he is guilty of anything but his reaction hasn't been good to this whole mess. However, he's still yellow on my mp3players4free site. But then again, I am still yellow on three sites that I did last week and know I'm not out scamming anyone so I know the system isn't perfect.

deadheart

05-04-2005 21:34:57

[quotefe095de073="StrictlyBallin24"]you're right. looks like deadheart just made off with my $30. i just IM'd him and he blocked me. I IM'd him again on a diff SN and he responded...[/quotefe095de073]

Yeah you msged me whllie i was working..

And why dont you tell everyone what you said in your pm that i responded to...

And what you asked...

You asked if i can do a trade...

I responded saying

" No i give up, and im working you will be blocked now"

Why did I do this?

Because im working.. For some of you maybe you like to be harrased whille you are working.. I do not!

deadheart

05-04-2005 21:38:06

Funny how only one person since last night has pmed me with there information.. They they say has not gone good..

Did you guys not read my responsce? If you think im such a fraud then maybe you would read what i had to say..


I told you to send me a pm with the site that you asked me to sign up for..

And i would replay with proof that i compled and offer under your site.

And only carpdem has replied as i posted in this thread his PM..

thoes of you still flaming me, and thoes of you harrasing me at work..

Why did you not pm?

Maybe because you are just wanting to harrass and not fix the problem.. Or What?

pinkledeez

05-04-2005 21:44:46

[quoteb2844c6d86="deadheart"]...Maybe because you are just wanting to harrass and not fix the problem.. Or What?[/quoteb2844c6d86]

Ummmm...no. If you remember, you were originally ignoring PMs at one time. I've sent you several e-mails trying to resolve the issue between us but you chose to ignore them or challenge me to take you to court.

How many times do I have to say it?

[bb2844c6d86]I don't want to go to court![/bb2844c6d86]

And I don't want my money back. You can have it...[bb2844c6d86]as long as my offers go green[/bb2844c6d86].

Please understand.

I am following your instructions now and have sent a PM.

deadheart

05-04-2005 21:59:32

[quotef9cc8653e8="pinkledeez"]Deadheart, may I please have proof of the offers you did for me?
FreeDesktopPC and FreeHandBags.[/quotef9cc8653e8]

http//www.artofwarcentral.com/user/4300/images/pink.JPG[]http//www.artofwarcentral.com/user/4300/images/pink.JPG

deadheart

05-04-2005 22:02:31

Arent you the one who is harrashing me at work.. Why didnt you read the post i made on all this and i also told you about the other pms, and that i was deleting them, and i only scimmed thought them..

For some one who really wants to make this offer good, you dont seem to like to read, i gave you proof that I purcheed the items. And There is anoher pm im going to go get that information

deadheart

05-04-2005 22:26:27

[quote37185f81ce="megacoupe"]This is the email that was used

email==frankred@girlzclan.comfrankred@girlzclan.com=frankred@girlzclan.comfrankred@girlzclan.com/email

This is the offer you told me you (or your girlfriend) completed

Appera Teeth Whitening.


I still have faith that you will go green for me, but just to square things away legitimately, can you send me the confirmation email=? You can PM it to me here or email it to email=joe@megacoupe.comjoe@megacoupe.com? You can PM it to me here or email it to email=joe@megacoupe.comjoe@megacoupe.com/email

I will make sure to post in the Trading Post that you responded to my inquiry and provided proof. In the long run, I'm sure it will be helpful this way and give everyone else a little more faith in you. Thanks.[/quote37185f81ce]

I understand, and i belive i allready went green on one of them, im not trying to rip anyone off, thats why im showing this for the email though i dont have it saved in that folder but i do have the CC transaton here, i will be checking junk emails to find the confirm email if there is one

http//www.artofwarcentral.com/user/4300/images/megacoupe.bmp[]http//www.artofwarcentral.com/user/4300/images/megacoupe.bmp

Archi1

05-04-2005 22:26:35

[quote34abd63289="deadheart"][quote34abd63289="pinkledeez"]Deadheart, may I please have proof of the offers you did for me?
FreeDesktopPC and FreeHandBags.[/quote34abd63289]

http//www.artofwarcentral.com/user/4300/images/pink.JPG[]http//www.artofwarcentral.com/user/4300/images/pink.JPG[/quote34abd63289]

Deadheart.. I will PM you. I told you what you did for me yesterday in the forum so I didn't think you needed me to PM it to you again. One thing though. You told me that you did the teeth whitening for me on pvps4free but then you have a link here telling pinkledeez and others that you did that same offer for them on freedesktoppc and freehandbags and other sites. You cannot do the same offer over and over again on different sites. I can almost assure you that the Appera will not give you credit more than once. Once you are in their system, that's it. Maybe this is why you have not gone green. I hate to tell you but I don't think you'll ever go green if all you did was do the teeth whitening on each different site.
My PM is coming

deadheart

05-04-2005 22:33:13

[quote4bd585f5eb="deadheart"][quote4bd585f5eb="megacoupe"]This is the email that was used

email==frankred@girlzclan.comfrankred@girlzclan.com=frankred@girlzclan.comfrankred@girlzclan.com/email

This is the offer you told me you (or your girlfriend) completed

Appera Teeth Whitening.


I still have faith that you will go green for me, but just to square things away legitimately, can you send me the confirmation email=? You can PM it to me here or email it to email=joe@megacoupe.comjoe@megacoupe.com? You can PM it to me here or email it to email=joe@megacoupe.comjoe@megacoupe.com/email

I will make sure to post in the Trading Post that you responded to my inquiry and provided proof. In the long run, I'm sure it will be helpful this way and give everyone else a little more faith in you. Thanks.[/quote4bd585f5eb]

I understand, and i belive i allready went green on one of them, im not trying to rip anyone off, thats why im showing this for the email though i dont have it saved in that folder but i do have the CC transaton here, i will be checking junk emails to find the confirm email if there is one

http//www.artofwarcentral.com/user/4300/images/megacoupe.bmp[]http//www.artofwarcentral.com/user/4300/images/megacoupe.bmp[/quote4bd585f5eb]


And since i'am showing proof will thoes of you who signed up for notebook show proof as well I belive you are one of thoes who signed up!

Im not trying to say you didnt, just saying, i dont understand why i'm getting harrased at work, and come to find out my gf is now being harrased too, and im not the only one not gone green yet the notebook deal was the first deal we made, so if anything is important to finsh first wouldnt it be the first deal?

deadheart

05-04-2005 22:35:11

[quotea6837af9b8="josiemcd"]Hi,

You signed up under me at FreeFlatScreens using the email= email=goat@artofwarcentral.comgoat@artofwarcentral.com email=goat@artofwarcentral.comgoat@artofwarcentral.com/email. I understand the problems we have all been facing with getting our trades figured out. I have already paid you and I am only requesting that you go green for my referral. I am sending you a PM, like you asked. Please respond and I hope we can work something out amicably.

Thanks![/quotea6837af9b8]

http//www.artofwarcentral.com/user/4300/images/josiemcd.bmp[]http//www.artofwarcentral.com/user/4300/images/josiemcd.bmp

Archi1

05-04-2005 22:43:43

I will email you a copy of the confirmation email I received when I did notebooks for you. BUT will you address the issue of why it seems you did the teeth whitening offer on all the sites? I'm telling you that you will not get credit for all of them.
Email is coming

deadheart

05-04-2005 22:47:24

[quoteee9c5c8627="Archi1"]I will email you a copy of the confirmation email I received when I did notebooks for you. BUT will you address the issue of why it seems you did the teeth whitening offer on all the sites? I'm telling you that you will not get credit for all of them.
Email is coming[/quoteee9c5c8627]


[quoteee9c5c8627="Archi1"]Deadheart..
Below is a post I just put in the forum. I think it is important that you see it so I am repeating it here.
Also, per your instruction,
The offer your girlfriend was supposed to do for me was on
mp3players4free
The email= used was email=gamechis@game-extreme.comgamechis@game-extreme.com used was email=gamechis@game-extreme.comgamechis@game-extreme.com/email
You told me she did the teeth whitening stuff.
PLEASE READ ON REGARDING THIS
You told me that you did the teeth whitening for me on pvps4freee but then you have a link here telling pinkledeez and others that you did that same offer for them on freedesktoppc and freehandbags and other sites. You cannot do the same offer over and over again on different sites. I can almost assure you that the Appera will not give you credit more than once. Once you are in their system, that's it. Maybe this is why you have not gone green. I hate to tell you but I don't think you'll ever go green if all you did was do the teeth whitening on each different site.[/quoteee9c5c8627]


If you still want the link to the paypal transation let me know for now i will just skip it if what you are saying is true then once you go green under notebooks i will finsh another offer under your account, Or in our case you paid me $30 for these 2 sites i went green on one of them allready lets say you owe me only $10 for the mp3 site, and i paid you $45 for notebooks.

You refund me $35 and we call it even.

Currently im out of money in our case, i will wait for green on notebook, and then finsh green on your mp3 site only sounds fair, or we can do the refund, im not trying to be mean or anything i did complete and offer on your account allready.

deadheart

05-04-2005 22:50:04

That was the last pm I had im going back to work.. Please dont harras me at work i have been coming here every chance i get its not my fault the person who is harrasing me cant read.. If there are more send me a pm or post it in here because it will be posted in here anyways after pm is answered thanks

deadheart

05-04-2005 22:55:05

same goes for megacoupe if he wants to drop notebooks and give me a $35 refund and i drop his site i have no problem with that either.

You see the point here.. Most people owe me more money then i owe them..

deadheart

05-04-2005 22:57:59

[quote84597b8149="Archi1"][quote84597b8149="deadheart"][quote84597b8149="Archi1"]Deadheart..
Below is a post I just put in the forum. I think it is important that you see it so I am repeating it here.
Also, per your instruction,
The offer your girlfriend was supposed to do for me was on
mp3players4free
The email= used was email=gamechis@game-extreme.comgamechis@game-extreme.com used was email=gamechis@game-extreme.comgamechis@game-extreme.com/email
You told me she did the teeth whitening stuff.
PLEASE READ ON REGARDING THIS
You told me that you did the teeth whitening for me on pvps4freee but then you have a link here telling pinkledeez and others that you did that same offer for them on freedesktoppc and freehandbags and other sites. You cannot do the same offer over and over again on different sites. I can almost assure you that the Appera will not give you credit more than once. Once you are in their system, that's it. Maybe this is why you have not gone green. I hate to tell you but I don't think you'll ever go green if all you did was do the teeth whitening on each different site.[/quote84597b8149]


If you still want the link to the paypal transation let me know for now i will just skip it if what you are saying is true then once you go green under notebooks i will finsh another offer under your account, Or in our case you paid me $30 for these 2 sites i went green on one of them allready lets say you owe me only $10 for the mp3 site, and i paid you $45 for notebooks.

You refund me $35 and we call it even.

Currently im out of money in our case, i will wait for green on notebook, and then finsh green on your mp3 site only sounds fair, or we can do the refund, im not trying to be mean or anything i did complete and offer on your account allready.[/quote84597b8149]


Okay well, I don't follow you exactly but here's how I see it
First off, you did freeipodshuffles for me so far, not mp3s. I think I inadvertently said mp3s before so I'm sure that's why you thought that.
Anyway,
Originally we agreed that I pay you $30 for both sites total. $15 each. That is what you said your GF would do them for. Anyway, I have paid you everything I was supposed to for 2 greens.
As it stands, I would like a green from you on my pvps4free site that you or your GF signed up on. If you do this and I go green on notebooks then we are even.
I don't owe you anything for the green on pvps4free because you've already been paid what we agreed on.
If I don't go green on notebooks, I'll refund your $45. However, if I don't go green then I am gonna raise hell with OC. I completed the offer so I'll get you credit.
So- you go green on pvps4free and I'll go green on notebooks and we'll be done. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you cannot go green on pvps4free then I expect $15 back just how you should expect $45 back from me if I don't go green on notebooks.
Have a little patience though.
I will tell you that if you want to go green on pvps, chances are you are going to have to do a different offer than the teeth whitening stuff.[/quote84597b8149]


Sounds good to me.. We will both wait for greens on each others sites. If you ever do go green on notebooks, and im not green yet on the site i will either do another offer or refund you $15...

Sounds fair to me!

Archi1

05-04-2005 22:58:37

Check your PM.
Note- we agreed on $30 for both freeipodshuffles and pvps4free. I paid you $30 so I don't owe you $10 in order for you to complete pvps4free. I can send you copies of our pm's where we agreed on price if you like. I also think the original link in the forum said your GF would complete sites for $15 ea. That is the original post I contacted you about. Anyway, lmk if you need me to provide you more information. Otherwise, I'm waiting for green on pvps4free as you are waiting for one on notebooks from me. Just remember, if you did the teeth whitening on pvps, it probably will not ever go green since it appears that you have done that same offer repeatedly.

deadheart

05-04-2005 22:59:06

Beat you hahahah

Archi1

05-04-2005 23:04:54

Yeah you did, I just sent you another PM though
BTW- I am checking out for the night. I'll check for news tomorrow.
Later

deadheart

05-04-2005 23:07:04

[quote07c7ea8cc4="Archi1"]Yeah you did, I just sent you another PM though
BTW- I am checking out for the night. I'll check for news tomorrow.
Later[/quote07c7ea8cc4]

later

deadheart

05-04-2005 23:26:34

Im popular did anyonce else notice that? This thing is 6 pages long... And almost allways ontop wow. When i first came here only few weeks ago no one knew me..

Good thing is when all these "bad" deals get fixed, I think everyone will trust me )


And some one asked eairler that i shouldnt of lost that much money because i made deals with others and got cash aswell.. I did the math, our transations from debt card and paypal account, with all the trades, and offers im currenty negative $385.00 this is also counting the trade money i have gotten to sign up for other people on my gfs account

lili note i did not take out her cut .. lol

You have to know the offers are also a negative that i had to complete on everone, and also, there we other people i paid for other offers, besides notebooks which are still not green or a refund, its just that notebooks is what really it hard since it was $45 pop.

josiemcd

05-04-2005 23:57:05

Thank you for responding to my PM. Have you checked on FreeFlatScreens to see if you got credit? And if not, did you send in a Customer Support Ticket? You might need to be persisent for it to go through. Also, you probably won't get credit if you did the same offer for different people. I'm glad we're working this out.

deadheart

06-04-2005 01:11:37

[quote334cfaae29="josiemcd"]Thank you for responding to my PM. Have you checked on FreeFlatScreens to see if you got credit? And if not, did you send in a Customer Support Ticket? You might need to be persisent for it to go through. Also, you probably won't get credit if you did the same offer for different people. I'm glad we're working this out.[/quote334cfaae29]

As you may know you have to wait atleast 10-15 days before putting a ticket, but i will do so if it goes past that, but if others start holding there end of there bargins here like everyone says they are i will go and complete another offer for you aswell and or give a refund.. But like i said others will have to start doing there end also.

deadheart

06-04-2005 01:14:30

[quotec3102883bb="slowdown"][quotec3102883bb="slowdown"]how bout this can you do 2 site for me and no $ changes hands. you cameras4free and mp3players4free for me and i do notebooks for you???[/quotec3102883bb]

[quotec3102883bb="deadheart"]Sure send me links![/quotec3102883bb]

[quotec3102883bb="slowdown"]Cool thanks here are my links
http//www.cameras4free.com/default.aspx?r=296304
http//www.mp3players4free.com/default.aspx?r=240714

And congrats on all your trades man thats the way to do it geting alot of looks![/quotec3102883bb]

[quotec3102883bb="deadheart"]Both have been signed up for

http//www.notebooks4free.com/default.aspx?r=310995[/quotec3102883bb]

[quotec3102883bb="slowdown"]ok cool i see you on them i have signed up for you should be showing up now as email==slowdown@speedfreaks.comslowdown@speedfreaks.com=slowdown@speedfreaks.comslowdown@speedfreaks.com/email as soon as you go green i will complete for you. i watch them pretty close but you can let me know when you go green if i miss it. thanks again
tray[/quotec3102883bb]


ok man well we have a deal but no one owes anyone any money on this. the deal was you do a 2 for 1 and the reason i have not gone green yet is because i have not done an offer due to the fast that you are supposed to green 1st it was stated in you 1st post that you would, and it was stated in the PM. when we made the deal you had no TK and were a one day old member i am not scaming you just waiting on your end of the deal to be done. i plan on green for you when green for me a big reason is because i will be going after notebooks myself but i will not green until the deal is done if you plan on going green let me know if not also let me know because i am waiting on only your green to be done so if i need to find new refs i want to get started[/quotec3102883bb]



I did sign up for both the offers if they are not green yet and you havent done you offer then there is no harm here I will just close this deal between you and I, and call it even to take care of one trade..

I dont owe you anyting and you dont owe me anything..

Thanks

http//www.notebooks4free.com/default.aspx?r=310995

ironlynxtk

06-04-2005 04:51:04

Hi deadheart, I payed you 15 dollars to do my freedesktoppc website. I've read through the whole forum post, and I understand you might have been scammed, but some of paid you in advance to go green for us. I will wait for your referral to go green for now. I've also pmed you, so please check that out. I'd like to work things out with you as many others want to, All i want is a green.

Thanks

Diggety

06-04-2005 04:59:01

[quote55055ccf38="deadheart"]Funny how only one person since last night has pmed me with there information.. They they say has not gone good..

Did you guys not read my responsce? If you think im such a fraud then maybe you would read what i had to say..


I told you to send me a pm with the site that you asked me to sign up for..

And i would replay with proof that i compled and offer under your site.

And only carpdem has replied as i posted in this thread his PM..

thoes of you still flaming me, and thoes of you harrasing me at work..

Why did you not pm?

Maybe because you are just wanting to harrass and not fix the problem.. Or What?[/quote55055ccf38]

I have Pm'd you 3 times with no response. What else do you want me to do? I am not involved in your whole notebooks mess. I simply paid you $15 up front for a psps4free ref and it looks like your GF signed up at my site, but I have been asking which site she signed up for. I know that you have alot of transactions going on here, but could you please get back to me and let me know what is up?

megacoupe

06-04-2005 05:20:23

[quoted123ec20af="deadheart"][quoted123ec20af="deadheart"][quoted123ec20af="megacoupe"]This is the email that was used

email==frankred@girlzclan.comfrankred@girlzclan.com=frankred@girlzclan.comfrankred@girlzclan.com/email

This is the offer you told me you (or your girlfriend) completed

Appera Teeth Whitening.


I still have faith that you will go green for me, but just to square things away legitimately, can you send me the confirmation email=? You can PM it to me here or email it to email=joe@megacoupe.comjoe@megacoupe.com? You can PM it to me here or email it to email=joe@megacoupe.comjoe@megacoupe.com/email

I will make sure to post in the Trading Post that you responded to my inquiry and provided proof. In the long run, I'm sure it will be helpful this way and give everyone else a little more faith in you. Thanks.[/quoted123ec20af]

I understand, and i belive i allready went green on one of them, im not trying to rip anyone off, thats why im showing this for the email though i dont have it saved in that folder but i do have the CC transaton here, i will be checking junk emails to find the confirm email if there is one

http//www.artofwarcentral.com/user/4300/images/megacoupe.bmp[]http//www.artofwarcentral.com/user/4300/images/megacoupe.bmp[/quoted123ec20af]


And since i'am showing proof will thoes of you who signed up for notebook show proof as well I belive you are one of thoes who signed up!

Im not trying to say you didnt, just saying, i dont understand why i'm getting harrased at work, and come to find out my gf is now being harrased too, and im not the only one not gone green yet the notebook deal was the first deal we made, so if anything is important to finsh first wouldnt it be the first deal?[/quoted123ec20af]

I already provided proof on page 4 of this thread.

What worries me is how many times you've completed the Appera Whitening offer.

Is there any chance you can do a unique offer for me so that I don't end up getting stuck in the approval stage?

pinkledeez

06-04-2005 07:05:18

I will post last night's conversation with deadheart's girlfriend so that you can judge at how harrassing it was. Bear in mind that deadheart orginally told me that [b765bb6919a]she[/b765bb6919a] would be one of the people who would complete my offer.

As before, [i765bb6919a]italics[/i765bb6919a] replace personal information.

[quote765bb6919a="IRC Conversation with Deadheart's girlfriend"]
[u765bb6919a][b765bb6919a]Public broadcast in IRC chatroom[/b765bb6919a][/u765bb6919a]
<[i765bb6919a]pinkledeez[/i765bb6919a]> who is [i765bb6919a]deadheart's girlfriend[/i765bb6919a]?

[u765bb6919a][b765bb6919a]Private conversation between in the IRC chatroom[/b765bb6919a][/u765bb6919a]
<[i765bb6919a]deadheart's girlfriend[/i765bb6919a]> who are you?
<[i765bb6919a]pinkledeez[/i765bb6919a]> I'm the guy you were suppose to complete freehandbags for.
<[i765bb6919a]pinkledeez[/i765bb6919a]> Your boyfriend had me send him money last week and he said you would sign up.
<[i765bb6919a]pinkledeez[/i765bb6919a]> But it's still yellow and he's ignoring my e-mails.
<[i765bb6919a]deadheart's girlfriend[/i765bb6919a]> we did sign up
<[i765bb6919a]deadheart's girlfriend[/i765bb6919a]> my boyfriend said he would take care of it when he is done working
<[i765bb6919a]pinkledeez[/i765bb6919a]> From what I understand, the situation should've already been taken care of.
<[i765bb6919a]pinkledeez[/i765bb6919a]> I'm not trying to give anyone a hard time.
<[i765bb6919a]pinkledeez[/i765bb6919a]> I just want to make sure I'm not going to be out of my money.
<[i765bb6919a]deadheart's girlfriend[/i765bb6919a]> I didn't know anything about it, [i765bb6919a]Deadheart[/i765bb6919a] is doing all that stuff ...
<[i765bb6919a]pinkledeez[/i765bb6919a]> Well, a lot of us are starting to believe he's planning to just take the money and run.
<[i765bb6919a]deadheart's girlfriend[/i765bb6919a]> [i765bb6919a]deadheart[/i765bb6919a] just said he will take care of it when he's done working, atm he is

swamped with work.
<[i765bb6919a]pinkledeez[/i765bb6919a]> I've sent him several e-mails to try and resolve the issue, but he won't help me out.
<[i765bb6919a]pinkledeez[/i765bb6919a]> I'm swamped with work too.
<[i765bb6919a]deadheart's girlfriend[/i765bb6919a]> Why we he try to commit fruad with our realnames, emails address's ect anyway )
<[i765bb6919a]pinkledeez[/i765bb6919a]> I don't know. I just get worried when simple questions don't get answered.
<[i765bb6919a]deadheart's girlfriend[/i765bb6919a]> cani have the link to the forums that your talking on?
<[i765bb6919a]pinkledeez[/i765bb6919a]> Sure It's freeipodguide.com
<[i765bb6919a]pinkledeez[/i765bb6919a]> You'll notice the thread about "deadheart" b/c it's the most popular one right now.
<[i765bb6919a]pinkledeez[/i765bb6919a]> BTW, thank you for talking with me.
<[i765bb6919a]deadheart's girlfriend[/i765bb6919a]> lol ok ) np, i'm sure everything will be taken care of soon
[/quote765bb6919a]

I can at least say the guy has good taste in women. Despite the fact I was a total stranger, she was very polite and didn't get defensive at all.

Deadheart finally sent me a PM of the offers he completed. That's good. If he would've sent me that last week, this whole thread could've been avoided.

Anyway deadheart, you will most likely have to do two more offers for me since it seems you did the teeth whitening for everyone.

Do you agree to do this for me? (I will PM this to you as well)

slowdown

06-04-2005 08:54:57

Dude you need to take our links out of that post!!!!

slowdown

06-04-2005 08:57:28

and my email

deadheart

06-04-2005 09:45:41

[quote1da80699a1="megacoupe"][quote1da80699a1="deadheart"][quote1da80699a1="deadheart"][quote1da80699a1="megacoupe"]This is the email that was used

email==frankred@girlzclan.comfrankred@girlzclan.com=frankred@girlzclan.comfrankred@girlzclan.com/email

This is the offer you told me you (or your girlfriend) completed

Appera Teeth Whitening.


I still have faith that you will go green for me, but just to square things away legitimately, can you send me the confirmation email=? You can PM it to me here or email it to email=joe@megacoupe.comjoe@megacoupe.com? You can PM it to me here or email it to email=joe@megacoupe.comjoe@megacoupe.com/email

I will make sure to post in the Trading Post that you responded to my inquiry and provided proof. In the long run, I'm sure it will be helpful this way and give everyone else a little more faith in you. Thanks.[/quote1da80699a1]

I understand, and i belive i allready went green on one of them, im not trying to rip anyone off, thats why im showing this for the email though i dont have it saved in that folder but i do have the CC transaton here, i will be checking junk emails to find the confirm email if there is one

http//www.artofwarcentral.com/user/4300/images/megacoupe.bmp[]http//www.artofwarcentral.com/user/4300/images/megacoupe.bmp[/quote1da80699a1]


And since i'am showing proof will thoes of you who signed up for notebook show proof as well I belive you are one of thoes who signed up!

Im not trying to say you didnt, just saying, i dont understand why i'm getting harrased at work, and come to find out my gf is now being harrased too, and im not the only one not gone green yet the notebook deal was the first deal we made, so if anything is important to finsh first wouldnt it be the first deal?[/quote1da80699a1]

I already provided proof on page 4 of this thread.

What worries me is how many times you've completed the Appera Whitening offer.

Is there any chance you can do a unique offer for me so that I don't end up getting stuck in the approval stage?[/quote1da80699a1]


Sure i will once you go green on notebooks, i dont have a problem with it or i will even give you a refund..

Thanks

StrictlyBallin24

06-04-2005 11:45:32

[quote727274df49="deadheart"]Funny how only one person since last night has pmed me with there information.. They they say has not gone good..

Did you guys not read my responsce? If you think im such a fraud then maybe you would read what i had to say..


I told you to send me a pm with the site that you asked me to sign up for..

And i would replay with proof that i compled and offer under your site.

And only carpdem has replied as i posted in this thread his PM..

thoes of you still flaming me, and thoes of you harrasing me at work..

Why did you not pm?

Maybe because you are just wanting to harrass and not fix the problem.. Or What?[/quote727274df49]

maybe you dont like to read... i already asked for any proof that you have in that long post i made. and i IM'd you with my Frosty SN and you just blocked me instantly. i IM'd you again on a diff SN asking to trade just to see if you would respond thinking i was someone else. here was our very short convo

[quote727274df49]ME (95635 PM) hey, wanna trade?
HIM (95709 PM) [b727274df49]No i gave up and im working goign to block list thanks[/b727274df49]
DeadHeart188a signed off at 95714 PM.[/quote727274df49]

how the hell am i supposed to know what that says? that IM made no sense.

and in since maybe you havent read my other post... here it is again

StrictlyBallin24

06-04-2005 11:46:15

[quote6b62a563bd="StrictlyBallin24"]if there's one thing i've noticed about deadheart right now, it's that he's being a hypocrite (no offense man). he says that no one cares that he's out $400 from this site, but him packing up and leaving like this has only proven that he doesnt care about anyone. all he cares about right now is that he's out $400 and that's all that's on his mind. and another thing that i have noticed is that you're failing to bring up the trades where people have paid YOU first and YOU haven't gone green. again, all you care about is the people who havent gone green for you. no offense deadheart, but you really are being a hypocrite right now.

also, i would love to know what offer you completed for me at 4freespot and what offer you have completed for me at applefree4u. and as you stated on page 3 that you could show me proof, i would also like to see that. applefree4u claims that it can take 1-15 days to credit offers and 4freespot has told me to wait 7 days. today is the 7th day for 4freespot so if you can tell me what offer you completed along with proof, i will try my best to work with 4freespot to get you credit so you dont have to stress yourself out with that (an act of selflessness on my part). when the 15 day mark hits for applefree4u, if you can tell me what offer you did and show me the proof, i'll try to work with them to get you credit (another act of selflessness), but just packing up and leaving wont solve anything except have a bunch of people always breathing down your spine.

an english teacher once told me, "it's better to do what's hard in life because you will come out rewarded." this is a perfect example. if you actually tried to get everything situated, then maybe you might actually finish notebooks4free and you wont be out the $400 you say you're out. you also wont have all these angry people stalking you in every which way. everyone's happy.

one last thing... what will happen if you dont get credit on neither applefree4u or 4freespot?[/quote6b62a563bd]

ironlynxtk

06-04-2005 20:49:32

To what Diggety said, some of us arent involved in the Notebooks4free deal, we are the ones who paid deadheart cash for greens. I've pmed you as you asked, with the site u were supposed to sign up for, I just want to know the status of the green, whether you actually did it or not, and what we can work out or refund my money I paid you. Ive sent you 2 pms I believe, neither with a response. Seems like you're working only with people who owe you greens also? If im wrong, correct me please.

doylnea

06-04-2005 21:27:19

Having read this sorry thread, I'd suggest that if any of you are asking for proof, at least for OC sites, that you ask for a screenshot of the OC site, with him logged in on the Status page - it will show what offer he did, when and his status on the offer.

It will look something like this
[800537]http/" alt=""/img212.exs.cx/img="212/2347/untitledmedium9ov.jpg[" alt=""/img812c7cbec5]
Him showing you screenshots of paypal transactions means and shows nothing, there's no way to prove that he did whatever offer he is showing you for you site without something like the OC screenshot.

chillywilly

06-04-2005 21:56:44

That's a great idea. And that's a hard page to fake, even if it doesn't show the name of the user signed in.

deadheart

06-04-2005 23:29:51

[quotefee7e2928e="doylnea"]Having read this sorry thread, I'd suggest that if any of you are asking for proof, at least for OC sites, that you ask for a screenshot of the OC site, with him logged in on the Status page - it will show what offer he did, when and his status on the offer.

It will look something like this
[800537]http/" alt=""/img212.exs.cx/img="212/2347/untitledmedium9ov.jpg[" alt=""/imgfee7e2928e]
Him showing you screenshots of paypal transactions means and shows nothing, there's no way to prove that he did whatever offer he is showing you for you site without something like the OC screenshot.[/quotefee7e2928e]

I can do this also for all the sites.. Just put it in a pm i will be naswers the pms i got today thanks

deadheart

06-04-2005 23:44:26

[quotef37a5991fc="ironlynxtk"]Hey deadheart, I read that huge post on the forum, I'm sorry things aren't working out right now, I'd like to get everything fixed with you also. I have paid you the 15 dollars to JLR Technologies, and it was completed, I can screen shot that for you. Now you signed up for my freedesktoppc the link is http//www.FreeDesktopPC.com/?r=chillonthelinks and you used email==frankred@girlzclan.comfrankred@girlzclan.com=frankred@girlzclan.comfrankred@girlzclan.com/email

I'd just like to know which offer you did? we can start from there.[/quotef37a5991fc]


I did whiting for yours but i was looking up the transation for you on paypal from the offer i completed and it showing as denied that is why yours is not green, Would you like me to complete another offer? or Would you just like a refund?

ironlynxtk

07-04-2005 08:00:52

[600250]http/" alt=""/img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-4/988090/payment.JPG[/imgacab241760]

My payment wasnt denied, this is who i payed it to. JLR Technologies.

All in all, I'd like you to do an offer and green me instead.

megacoupe

07-04-2005 08:44:08

Update

Deadheart, just letting you know that I've contacted notebooks4free about the offer I completed for you that wasn't credited (now that 10 business days have passed). Hopefully they will credit soon.

I hope that you will make a similar effort on my behalf for the freeipods referral you did for me.

refined

07-04-2005 11:44:41

WEow, this is officially a thriving topic ;)

StrictlyBallin24

07-04-2005 11:52:41

is it just me or is deadheart completely ignoring me and my requests

damac

07-04-2005 11:55:33

deadhart went green on tech4free for me, that leaves autotech4free and pctech4free for me as far as sites i prepaid for. you didnt answer my pm either.

pinkledeez

07-04-2005 13:01:49

[quote5cb210e77d="StrictlyBallin24"]is it just me or is deadheart completely ignoring me and my requests[/quote5cb210e77d]

The past couple of days, he has responded to my PMs.

I lithinkli he's trying to fix the situation. Give him at least a couple of days to respond.

Damac, when did he go green for you?

Diggety

07-04-2005 13:10:08

Well, I would like to officially apologize to deadheart for not trusting him and being impacient. He went green on my PSPs4free account today. I am going to leave positive feedback in the TR list. Sorry again.

damac

07-04-2005 14:02:39

[quote6a4552e21e="pinkledeez"][quote6a4552e21e="StrictlyBallin24"]is it just me or is deadheart completely ignoring me and my requests[/quote6a4552e21e]

The past couple of days, he has responded to my PMs.

I lithinkli he's trying to fix the situation. Give him at least a couple of days to respond.

Damac, when did he go green for you?[/quote6a4552e21e]

last night or todays update.

Matt8789

07-04-2005 14:19:02

Move this thread..its annoying seeing it and moving other posts that belong here more into the back.

Archi1

07-04-2005 14:39:08

Get over it. I'm sure everyone is seeing all the threads fine and nobody is making you read it. If the mods want to move it, that's fine but it's not your place to tell them to.
If however, they do, where do you suggest? This is the trading forum and this thread is regarding trades. Unless the mods make it a sticky, there is no other logical place to put it.

Matt8789

07-04-2005 14:50:05

Your to say. Off Topic - Anything else that doesnt fit into the other catagories

Archi1

07-04-2005 16:15:52

[quote4dbf65f19f="Matt8789"]Your to say. Off Topic - Anything else that doesnt fit into the other catagories[/quote4dbf65f19f]

Not sure I follow but off topic doesn't seem logical. Off topic has nothing to do with trades or scams. It is important for the other traders in this forum to follow what happens with things like this so they know wether to trade with certain people. This is the correct place for this thread. Plus, Deadheart deserves the right to clear his name in front of all the traders in this forum so that he might be able to resume trading if he so chooses.
That's my take but and I won't go any further in this thread on this issue because in reality, this topic has nothing to do with this thread or trades in general. The subject of moving or deleting threads that annoy people is a subject of it's own and should be discussed elsewhere. Let me just say that if you were involved in this soap opera, you wouldn't appreciate other members getting their panties in a wad. We are just trying to work this whole mess out in an amicable way. I'm sure I can speak for many when I say that I wish I didn't have to be involved in keeping this thread at the top of the forum but I also would like the courtesy of not getting ragged on for trying to do what needs to be done. If this were happening to you, I would not be complaining to you because my post got knocked down a spot. I'd like to think I would have the patience to let you work it out.

deadheart

07-04-2005 16:24:27

I have 8 pms pending i will get to them later tonight still working, and will be for most of the night im alone tonight at work.. But short note glad to some of you are going green now, as for the guy who said his paypal went though you mis-understood me i meant the offer i did on your site was decliened, i asked you if you would like a refund or for me to do another offer.. That was what i meant not sure if i mis-typed let me know what you want to do..

As for StrictlyBallin24 you seem to really have it in for me why not just send me your paypal email address and how much i owe you and i will refund you.. If the sites do go green, then hopefully you will be man egnough to pay me. (but if you do get a refund i would like to take the fees paypal hit me with since i did complete and offer so im out of that cash, and im refunding you so im out that i think only asking for the paypal fees is fair but if not let me know)


As for Arch i completed another offer last night for you just incase.. Thanks

StrictlyBallin24

07-04-2005 17:21:09

i dont really have it in for you, but i just found it awkward that you kept saying things like "no1 cares about ne1 else on this forum but theirselves" but yet, you happened to be acting the same way. etc....

i'll PM you with an idea i have...

deadheart

08-04-2005 01:13:52

[quote8bb5b1c20a="pinkledeez"]Comments inline

[quote8bb5b1c20a="deadheart"]As long as others are holding up to there end of the bargins yeah there is no problem with me doing another offer or giving a refund...[/quote8bb5b1c20a]

I don't agree with the first part b/c that makes it sound like you're still faulting me for [b8bb5b1c20a][i8bb5b1c20a]someone else[/b8bb5b1c20a][/i8bb5b1c20a] doing you wrong.

[b8bb5b1c20a]HOWEVER,[/size8bb5b1c20a][/b8bb5b1c20a] I do feel like we're making progress and glad to see you're back on the forums trying to get this whole mess straightened out.


[quote8bb5b1c20a="deadheart"]...if the community here has no problem with ripping me off,[/quote8bb5b1c20a]
Don't let a few rotten eggs spoil your experience here. Although the community has its share of deviants, there are some good, honest people on here. I think your $45 dollar offer just attracted some of the slime who like to take advantage of someone's generous nature.

Would you mind explaining how far you got on notebooks4free? In other words, how many refs did you need when you made that post? Which e-mails went fradulent? And who's ignoring you when you try to resolve the matter?

Just as we banded together to get information out of you, we could do the same thing for other folks who's intentions were malign to begin with. Strength in numbers!


[quote8bb5b1c20a="deadheart"]...But no matter what i did complete an offer on your sites, as long as things are starting to get completed on other members ends on here, then I have no problem refunding or completing another offer.[/quote8bb5b1c20a]

Thanks...I think we'll be able to get this mess straightened out. )

You just have to remember to communicate with us.

Finally, do you prefer to be called [b8bb5b1c20a]deadheart[/b8bb5b1c20a] or [b8bb5b1c20a]Dallas[/b8bb5b1c20a]?

Pinkledeez is some nonsense name I came up with. If you want to address me, just my real first name [b8bb5b1c20a]Ray[/b8bb5b1c20a]. 8)[/quote8bb5b1c20a]

Doesnt matter what you call me dallas or deadheart, people know me by both microsoft even calls me Dallas "Deadheart" Behling..

But anyways i had 0 sign ups for notbooks before i did the offer, is signed up for someone as a treade on here, and then made the post.. from 0 i got 9 people to sign up 1 of them being a trade for 2 sites, the rest being $45 then i got the 10th a few days later from Arch.. Out of all 10 of the people only 3 went green.

But put that aside.. All im saying is i compled your offer.. If its not green yet what is the differnce from the guys on my sites that are not going green yet.. These are all people that are high ratings on this site.. Part of the community..

I should not be brought out that i'am fraud under this alone, im no different then everyone on here. Everyone is saying the same thing I am yet there is a whole thread tracking every move I do.

But these guys are saying the same thing to me, where is there post? I completed everyones offers some are green, some went green instantly, some day or so afterwards, hell some are going green as people are complaing in here.

In your case, as i said before as long as others are doing there offers aswell with me, i will do a refund to you or complete second offers..

As you can see on the fourms or pm these people im offering others the same deal if i notice there offers are not going though. 2 people allready asked for refunds and they are getting it..

I'am the VP of art of war central, and have been doing buissness on the internet since 1999. I'am smart egnough not to use my name, and my companies name. To comit fraud, specialy something so small. If i was to comit fraud it would be something bigger and not my real name.

But if im going to get ripped off in this community, then yes i have no hard feeling not holding up my end of offers if over 5 people with high reputations in this community do the same to me. I would rather this go into a leagl matter and have everyone come out and answer to there acts.

As you can see in this thread alone atleast 3 of the people who took my offer for $45 says they completed offers, and its a waiting game.. If these people are telling the truth which i belive they are then there is no problems at all. But if by chance they are not, why is it right for me the only one who has to answer to there offers going green after i compled and offer and did my part.

People keep saying im blaming it on everyone else, im not im just saying, whats right for others should be right for me. I should be treated no different, and i wont be, if there offers dont start going green for me, even though they show proof then, i will do the same.

Thanks, not sure what the purpose of wrighting this all was for, but to hopefully get you to see my point, but i dont think you will i think you will just say something like, you made a deal with me, and that should be that no other deals should reflect on your deal, which makes sence, but again i would like to point out that you brought everyone here for this, so you are the one, that i deffinatly see as the person that should have to wait to see the overall outcome, before i finsh anything with you. And yes if its merely to prove a point, that if i have to wait you have to wait.

Tib

08-04-2005 03:31:29

This guy is plan and simple shady. I paid him first to complete a offer on Ipodshuffles4free under me and a few hours later he signed up...it's been over 2 weeks and still hasn't gone green. Don't respond to Pm's or E-mails. When he finally did he said to resend the direct link cause he doesn't remember the deal...BULL! So i'm going after the money through paypal and putting him on the bad traders list!

deadheart

08-04-2005 14:27:38

[quote869191df55="Tib"]This guy is plan and simple shady. I paid him first to complete a offer on Ipodshuffles4free under me and a few hours later he signed up...it's been over 2 weeks and still hasn't gone green. Don't respond to Pm's or E-mails. When he finally did he said to resend the direct link cause he doesn't remember the deal...BULL! So i'm going after the money through paypal and putting him on the bad traders list![/quote869191df55]


You should post a copy of my reply to you.. i never said i didnt remember your deal.. your jsut a fat ass lier, and i will fight your shit till the end since you like to lie..

I told you to send me a direct link to your offer so i could get your proof that i completed an offer..

Since you like to lie, i will fight yours till the end thanks!

pinkledeez

08-04-2005 14:35:35

C'mon guys...we're working through this.

Please, let's keep it civil.

deadheart

08-04-2005 22:44:23

exact qoute from my sent folder to tib

"need to send me your direct link i was to sign up for so i can look it up in my list thanks"

Where does he get i dont remember the deal? ....

deadheart

08-04-2005 22:45:58

A few emails i got recently

email==frankred@girlzclan.comfrankred@girlzclan.com=frankred@girlzclan.comfrankred@girlzclan.com/email,

We have received confirmation that you completed the Stamps.com offer
at DS4Free.com!


email==frankred@girlzclan.comfrankred@girlzclan.com=frankred@girlzclan.comfrankred@girlzclan.com/email,

We have received confirmation that you completed the Gourmet Coffee Select offer
at DVRs4Free.com!

email==frankred@girlzclan.comfrankred@girlzclan.com=frankred@girlzclan.comfrankred@girlzclan.com/email,

We have received confirmation that you completed the Corticet offer
at PSPs4Free.com!


email==goat@artofwarcentral.comgoat@artofwarcentral.com=goat@artofwarcentral.comgoat@artofwarcentral.com/email,

We have received confirmation that you completed the Appera Teeth Whitening offer
at DVRs4Free.com!


email==deadheart@artofwarcentral.comdeadheart@artofwarcentral.com=deadheart@artofwarcentral.comdeadheart@artofwarcentral.com/email,

We have received confirmation that you completed the Feel Serenity offer
at Cameras4Free.com!

deadheart

08-04-2005 22:47:03

As you can see unlike others are saying they are going green.. so back off for a bit thanks!

sublogic_k

11-04-2005 19:37:21

Hey Deadheart.... Man I know you made a bunch of deals and have trouble keeping up but at least let me know whats going on! I really want to know when you are going to get around to doing my freepsps.com because I paid you $25 but I'm in the dark right now. Shed some light on our deal pleeease!

Cheers,
-T

StrictlyBallin24

11-04-2005 19:41:13

[quote01ef78e529="sublogic_k"]Hey Deadheart.... Man I know you made a bunch of deals and have trouble keeping up but at least let me know whats going on! I really want to know when you are going to get around to doing my freepsps.com because I paid you $25 but I'm in the dark right now. Shed some light on our deal pleeease!

Cheers,
-T[/quote01ef78e529]

ask him to refund ur money... he already refunded mine

Skeeter

13-04-2005 22:23:08

Has any heard from DeadHeart, has he stopped responding to his PMs again??!! PM'ed him twice and got no response. I've been patience and understanding with this guy, well over 16 days since I paid him. I still don't have any greens for my sites that he did and am out $40.00 with this guy!

If you're out there man, reply!

theclownoftightness

13-04-2005 22:33:55

I was gonna do an offer for deadheart and he was gonna pay me but I figured Id better not. He would never respond to me on aim or pms or e-mails. It got really annoying and I decided against it.

Skeeter

16-04-2005 23:13:13

Hey, Deadbeat

Where the hell are you!! You been ignoring my PMs and emails.

Anyone know when was the last time he was on this forum?

Allen626

16-04-2005 23:31:55

I didnt read your post but your avatar is good

/me goes back to staring

pinkledeez

17-04-2005 13:17:07

[quote265db57847="Skeeter"]Hey, Deadbeat

Where the hell are you!! You been ignoring my PMs and emails.

Anyone know when was the last time he was on this forum?[/quote265db57847]

I've been out most of the week for some vacation. However, it's been over 15 days for my freegratis stuff and deadheart is still yellow. (most likely b/c he did the same offer for me as he did for other people)

Anyway, I just sent him a PM. Hopefully, he won't ignore it. I'd hate to have to go through the same rigmarole I went through the last time to get him back on here and talking to people.

Hopefully not...we'll see.

Don't give up Skeeter. I think he wants to follow through.

megacoupe

17-04-2005 15:17:04

He promised to go green for my freeipods. I'm still waiting...

Skeeter

17-04-2005 17:31:11

Hey guys,

More than likely, he'll never go green. Even if he did go green for us, I'm afraid it'll get rejected anyways because he completed the offers multiple times. I hope others are having better luck than I am.

Skeeter

20-04-2005 13:26:02

Can we add Deadheart to the scammer/bad trader list? Probably doesen't matter cause he probably gave up on this. Close to a month and no greens yet!!!

josiemcd

21-04-2005 19:55:37

Hey all,

What's the status? And what is our course of action? I am out some money and I'm sure you guys are too. What is the next step?

pinkledeez

21-04-2005 20:49:59

[quote71df58c955="josiemcd"]Hey all,

What's the status? And what is our course of action? I am out some money and I'm sure you guys are too. What is the next step?[/quote71df58c955]

I'm going to the courthouse tomorrow. I have other business to do there so I'm going to drop by small claims as well.

From what I understand, you can sue someone from another state. It probably depends if the court clerk is sympathetic to your case.

I know it seems like a lot for just $35, but this guy has really frustrated me.

I'll let you know what I find out.

Skeeter

22-04-2005 02:50:22

Everyone that paid him through PayPal should at least put in a dispute complaint w/ PayPal. I'd paid him through this email= email=paypal@artofwarcentral.compaypal@artofwarcentral.com email=paypal@artofwarcentral.compaypal@artofwarcentral.com/email and filed a dispute. We'll see if it get's me anywhere.

josiemcd

23-04-2005 13:09:14

Awesome... now at least we have two avenues to pursue...

josiemcd

23-04-2005 17:15:46

I just filed with PayPal as well. Any others?

Abaweet69

23-04-2005 17:28:58

i think if you get 3 or more complaints within a certain time frame, his paypal account will be deleted. Money and all

pinkledeez

24-04-2005 03:53:57

[quote1c2e70b14b="Abaweet69"]i think if you get 3 or more complaints within a certain time frame, his paypal account will be deleted. Money and all[/quote1c2e70b14b]

I highly doubt it since it's an established business account. I'm not saying a complaint won't do anything, but I don't think they'll erase it.

Anyway guys, here's the dl on small claims
I can absolutely sue this dumbass for just a $44 filing fee. I have no doubt if I went to court, I'd win. He'd have to pay the $35 and the $44 court costs.

HOWEVER, when he gets his court summoning, he has four options he can check
1. I owe the plantiff all of the money and wish to settle out of court
2. I owe the plantiff part of the money and wish to settle in court
3. I owe the plantiff none of the moenty and wish to settle in court
4. [b1c2e70b14b]I WISH TO TRANSFER THIS CASE TO MY LOCAL JURISDICTION[/b1c2e70b14b]

The court clerk said in most cases, the judge will approve the transfer. That means I have to drive to Tennessee to get $35.

After hearing that, the principle didn't seem as important anymore.

I think it really sucks because this guy took advantage of a lot of people's trust. At least I was able to get him back on here and clear up the issue with a few of us.

Unfortunatley, he's made ME the badguy since [b1c2e70b14b]I[/b1c2e70b14b] started this whole thing and consistantly contacted him.

If any of you want to pick up where I left off. PM me. I have all kinds of ways you can contact him (phone, fax, e-mail, message boards).

Otherwise, I'm done. I'd like the money back, but you can't talk sense to a moron.

steve30000

24-04-2005 22:05:15

I just filed a claim with paypal as well. We'll see what happens.

Tib

25-04-2005 06:03:26

I already filed a report with Paypal about it and they came back and I won the case. Only problem there is no money in his account for them to refund the money to me. They did say though they will monitor his account and as soon as money is in his account they will refund me my $15.

pinkledeez

25-04-2005 07:10:55

[quote3707e138f1="Tib"]I already filed a report with Paypal about it and they came back and I won the case. Only problem there is no money in his account for them to refund the money to me. They did say though they will monitor his account and as soon as money is in his account they will refund me my $15.[/quote3707e138f1]

I just put in my complaint. We'll see what happens.

Not too surprised there's no money in the account.

At least they'll have to pay before they use paypal again.

How long did it take to resolve the case?

flatline

25-04-2005 07:19:00

If he used his Artofwarcentral.com email then there WILL be paypal since it's a server company. I'd suggest posting post on their forums (google artofwarcentral gaming servers) and letting their customers know about it.

steve30000

25-04-2005 16:53:28

I just had my complaint from yesterday resolved by PayPal and got my money refunded... can't believe that actually worked so well!

pinkledeez

25-04-2005 19:32:08

[quotee145e3967b="pinkledeez"]...How long did it take to resolve the case?[/quotee145e3967b]

[be145e3967b]Resolved![/be145e3967b] That dumbass finally paid me back!

I couldn't believe his defense was
"I'm no going to pay you back b/c [ie145e3967b]someone else[/ie145e3967b] screwed me over."

[be145e3967b][ie145e3967b]What an idiot![/ie145e3967b][/be145e3967b]

I guess all those paypal complaints made a difference after all.

This was indeed a good lesson learned.

No hard feelings but I stongly discourage trading with deadheart. P

Skeeter

25-04-2005 22:20:10

Excellent, Pinkledeez!! Hopefully the rest of us are as lucky! ) Unfortunately, mine dispute is still under review.

josiemcd

26-04-2005 10:49:09

I won my case with PayPal, and I have received a pending refund.

Archi1

26-04-2005 16:46:05

What exactly are you guys telling paypal?
I finally went green on deadhearts notebooks4free so now he officially owes me. He paid me to do notebooks and I paid him to do pvps4free. I have now gone good on my end and since he won't reply to my messages, I guess I need to contact Paypal too.
Thanks

Retro

26-04-2005 19:03:15

Glad you guys are getting your money back. I don't why he was trying to take it out on ya'll b/c someone else scammed him.

I'm also wondering why a mod never posted in this thread? Or did I just miss it?

pinkledeez

27-04-2005 03:59:18

[quote0d8d4fff25="Archi1"]What exactly are you guys telling paypal?...[/quote0d8d4fff25]

I wrote a variation of what I sent his boss earlier in the month. (that letter is somewhere on this thread). If you view ALL pages at once and search for "To the owner of THE WEBSITE", you'll see what I wrote.

Just remember not to get emotional and simply state the facts.


[quote0d8d4fff25="Retro"]I'm also wondering why a mod never posted in this thread? Or did I just miss it?[/quote0d8d4fff25]
You missed it. Admin responded once saying you couldn't dispute the issue with paypal b/c it was intangible goods. Glad he was wrong on that one. D

Also, Vulcan PMed me and ask if there was anything he could do. I said I'd just try to fight it myself b/c I felt the dude was actually trying to come clean.

I don't think he was a scammer as much as I think he was an idiot.

I did post a thread about him in the scammers section but--to my surprise--Admins have done nothing about him.

You know, he could come back to this forum two months down the line and pull the same stunt.

I don't know why they won't either ban him or make him start over with his TR.

Archi1

05-05-2005 09:26:05

Hey All,
I filed a claim with paypal against deadheart that has yet to be resolved. However, deadheart is trying to claim that I also did not complete the 2 offers he paid me to do.
This is a total lie and he knows it. I completed freehandbags for him as well as notebooks4free on 4/26
So, those of you with any hope left that he'll come clean, good luck. He's resorted to outright lies now to try and weasle out of doing what he was paid to do.
This guy is a real piece of work.
Those of you sucessful in your paypal claims, I may need your help if paypal denies me. I told them I could provide proof of what this guy has done to me and others and that included other people who he ripped off via paypal. Paypal may ask me to provide information on those of you who are willing to give it to me.
PM me if you have any questions or comments.
Thanks

pinkledeez

05-05-2005 11:31:53

[quote64a1217ebf="Archi1"]Hey All,
I filed a claim with paypal against deadheart that has yet to be resolved....Paypal may ask me to provide information on those of you who are willing to give it to me.[/quote64a1217ebf]

Dude. (

Sorry to hear that. This thread had pretty much gone silent so I assumed everything was taken care of.

Since he refunded me, I let the issue go...even despite how tempting it was to send taunting, [i64a1217ebf]ha ha! got my money back[/i64a1217ebf] e-mails. )

I don't mind helping you in your cause. I'll send you a PM.

The big question for me is this [b64a1217ebf]Why haven't the admins banned this guy yet?[/b64a1217ebf]

Even if he has no plans to come back here now, he might in the future and pull the same stunt again...using his 13+ trade record for clout. It just doesn't make sense to me. But hey, I'm not them and to each his own.

At least [b64a1217ebf]I[/b64a1217ebf] know to avoid a trade with him.

Archi1

05-05-2005 17:36:47

Paypal tells me that EVERYONE regardless of when he scammed them needs to contact paypal. Anyone who paid with paypal who got ripped off needs to file a complaint. Even if it was more than 45 days ago when it happened. I also need to know exactly how many people filed paypal complaints and if your complaint was successful in getting your money back.
Thanks

Tib

06-05-2005 04:49:35

Well I won the claim against him with paypal and it took 2 weeks but they finally refunded me the $15 I paid this loser. Doesn't matter what his rating is he's a SCAMMER

sublogic_k

20-05-2005 02:05:14

I just filed a complaint w/ paypal (I didn't know you could do that...)
heres to getting our money back!
liCheers!li

pinkledeez

21-05-2005 09:26:44

[quote40f7abbc1b="sublogic_k"]I just filed a complaint w/ paypal (I didn't know you could do that...)
heres to getting our money back!
liCheers!li[/quote40f7abbc1b]

Let us know how it turns out.