~~UPDATED 3-30-06 ~~ @@@ NEW TRADING RULES PLEASE READ @@@

theysayjump

24-11-2005 23:33:29

[i2ecc74d171][b2ecc74d171]NEW TRADING RULES ARE NOW IN EFFECT.[/b2ecc74d171][/i2ecc74d171][/color2ecc74d171][/size2ecc74d171]

The ones in [b2ecc74d171]Blue[/b2ecc74d171][/color2ecc74d171] are new and were just introduced into the rules this evening (3-30-06) The rest are already in place at the moment.

[b2ecc74d171]Trades for sites such as ThisStuffIsFree, This50BuzIsFree, TextPayMe, DSLite etc will NOT be credited TR. We (Admins/Mods) feel that these sites can and will only encourage scammers. It will make it easier for people to use these sites to increase their TR to a decent height without having to do very much in return. This increase could then (obviously) be used to take advantage of others with a lower TR.[/b2ecc74d171][/color2ecc74d171]

[b2ecc74d171]The selling of DIY refs is now strictly prohibited. If anyone is seen to be trying to buy, sell or promote such then they will be temp-banned.[/b2ecc74d171][/color2ecc74d171]

Thanks doylnea. wink

[quote2ecc74d171]The selling of DIY referrals is is no way supported or condoned by FiPG. These sites are difficult to navigate, and even more difficult to complete correctly. There are too many facotors involved in obtaining offer credits for FiPG to moderate or regulate the sale of DIY referrals. Furthermore, it can be assumed that the sale of a DIY referral can be seen by the DIY companies as something worth DQing the seller and or referral. Finally the presumed price of these referrals may attract more scammers to the site, and we'd like to avoid bringing in any more scammers than we already attract.

Ramifications of this Proclamation
NO TR will be granted for DIY referral sales or trades.
There will be no support from moderators or Admin on trades you choose to conduct outside of FiPG, even those trades involving FiPG members.[/quote2ecc74d171]
[b2ecc74d171]
Last but not least, the Rude and Antagonistic stance has been included in the Trading Post rules/guidelines also.[/color2ecc74d171][/b2ecc74d171]

1.) Post icons will be required for all new trade threads made that are only offering cash. If you are offering cash and trades, then it is not needed. Threads that are classified in this category but do not have a post icon will be locked and you will be warned that if it happens again, then you will receive a temp-ban.[/color2ecc74d171]
CASH OFFER post icon

http//forum.freeipodguide.com/images/paypal.jpg[" alt=""/img2ecc74d171]

If you're offering a trade, you can use the TRADE icon
[img="2ecc74d171]http//forum.freeipodguide.com/images/trade.jpg[" alt=""/img2ecc74d171]
but it's not required.

[i2ecc74d171][b2ecc74d171]2.) You will be allowed to create one new thread in The Trading Post every 3 days. At the moment you are only allowed to make one new thread every 5 days, but we are reducing it to 3 so that The Trading Post will move faster. This also applies to BUMPs. [color=red2ecc74d171]BUMPs will be allowed once every 3 days, but when you are eligable to create a new thread or BUMP an existing thread, you have to choose one or the other, it can't be both. Anyone who chooses both will have their threads locked. Repeat offenders will receive a temp-ban[/color2ecc74d171][/b2ecc74d171]

[b2ecc74d171]3.) The minimum TR for new traders is being raised from 2 to 4. This means that if you have +4TR, then you can trade with anyone and receive TR for it. If you have [color=red2ecc74d171]under[/color2ecc74d171] +4TR, then to be eligable to receive TR for a trade you have to trade with anyone who has +4TR or higher. You can trade with anyone you want to, but trades requesting TR between 2 users who are both under 4, will be denied. There are a lot of people who have been banned and are coming back with new names and only doing a couple of trades before they are caught, so we believe that although this won't prevent people from being scammed, it will at least (we think) help the matter.

4.) Traders do not have to explicitly say in their trade threads that they will go 1st for people with a higher TR. This is already expected and anyone trading with a newbie should know this and expect it anyway. This is still a rule that they have to go 1st, they just don't have to explicitly say that they will. [color=red2ecc74d171]If they want to then they can, but anyone who is found to be telling newbies that they have to say they will go 1st, will receive a temp-ban for thread crapping.[/color2ecc74d171][/b2ecc74d171][/i2ecc74d171]

5.) (Copied and Pasted) I'm tired of seeing peoples trade threads ruined by other people thread-crapping all over them and flaming them (especially newbies) for violating rules.

If I or any other Mod/Admin see anyone thread-crapping or flaming in someone else trade thread then they will receive a 5 day temp-ban. Thread-crapping can be defined as telling someone how much they should pay for a site, telling them that nobody will do their site for "that much", talking random shite in someones trade thread or having discussions that could be made elsewhere. [i2ecc74d171][b2ecc74d171]Welcoming's and pointing them to the Rules and/or FAQ is also OK, even if they have followed the rules, but only as guidance (i.e, "Hi, welcome to the forum. If you haven't already, please read the rules and/or the FAQ to ensure you know how the site works and that you don't break any rules.)[/b2ecc74d171][/i2ecc74d171].

Pointing out that someone may want to consider paying more is fine, but you can't just outright tell them they should pay more and/or that nobody will do it. If someone wants to offer $10 for FreeiPods.com then fine, that's up to them. You don't have to flame them for it.
[color=red2ecc74d171][size=182ecc74d171]I repeat If anyone is seen thread-crapping or flaming in someone else's trade thread then they will receive a 5 day temp-ban.[/size2ecc74d171][/color2ecc74d171]

[b2ecc74d171][i2ecc74d171]6.) Thanks to Junior8686868686886 for this one.

There are a lot of high TR members (and some lower TR members also) who have begun to trade for people outside of this forum. They have "friends" who can do all the sites etc, but some are failing to let their potential traders know this which 3, 4 or even more weeks down the line results in a huge mess when something goes wrong (their friend goes on holiday, their friend is too busy to open support tickets to get credit, their friend has been placed on hold etc).

[color=red2ecc74d171]From now on, if you are trading for someone else who is not a member of this forum (your best friend, your uncle, your great-granny etc), then you have to state in your thread that this is how you are doing the site. If you don't have a thread and just PM, AIM people etc, then you must tell them before the trade takes place. Anyone who is found to be trading for people outside of this forum, and not letting their traders know will either have their TR dropped to -1 and/or be banned or temp-banned.[/color2ecc74d171]

People deserve to know who they are trading with, especially when money is on the line.[/b2ecc74d171][/i2ecc74d171]

These new rules will likely come in to effect between 28/11/2005 & 02/12/2005.

Comments, suggestions and feedback are all welcome.

compuguru

25-11-2005 06:42:59

Good job theysayjump! This will really help the Trading Post!

ilanbg

25-11-2005 09:40:54

Great improvements.

Airkat

25-11-2005 10:24:24

I say good )

double_d

25-11-2005 12:48:27

I was going to PM a mod today to suggest reducing the 5 day bump rule. I'm all for it!! These new rules should really improve the trading post.

theysayjump

25-11-2005 13:17:03

Glad you guys like it so far.

johnjimjones

25-11-2005 14:54:28

Yeah definitely liking the 3 day bump/new thread.

Retro

25-11-2005 15:06:54

[quote29b968c09d="theysayjump"]
[b29b968c09d][i29b968c09d]4.) Traders do not have to explicitly say in their trade threads that they will go 1st for people with a higher TR. This is already expected and anyone trading with a newbie should know this and expect it anyway. This is still a rule that they have to go 1st, they just don't have to explicitly say that they will. If they want to then they can, but anyone who is found to be telling newbies that they have to say they will go 1st, will receive a temp-ban for thread crapping.[/color29b968c09d][/b29b968c09d][/i29b968c09d][/quote29b968c09d]

Regarding this rule; if a newb says they won't pay first or something to that effect. Then can people step in and tell them that they have to go first?

theysayjump

25-11-2005 16:24:07

Yes. If someone refuses to go 1st, then they can be told that they have to go 1st since it's the rules. They just don't have to say it, but yes, they can be told to if they refuse to go 1st.

Arti

25-11-2005 19:42:02

Is it considered threadcrapping to point out that the thread creator may be a scammer?

i.e. bad reputation at another board or an unsettled dispute in the Scammer forum

theysayjump

25-11-2005 21:16:19

[quote5e55a6c7d2="Arti"]Is it considered threadcrapping to point out that the thread creator may be a scammer?

i.e. bad reputation at another board or an unsettled dispute in the Scammer forum[/quote5e55a6c7d2]

Yes.

If you have a concern about another member of the forum then you should contact a Mod who will look in to it as you may be wrong, and if you are, it can put people off trading with the member whom you were accusing.

ilanbg

25-11-2005 21:18:35

^
Or even just a conversation with them that may have given some sort of indication of a shady trader?

For I can think of at least three members I knew would be scammers, but was put down for saying so. A few weeks later the same members who told me to shut up were complaining about that member... roll

theysayjump

27-11-2005 16:08:24

YEah trading threads are just that, threads about trading. If a thread goes off into some sort of discussion about how legitimate a certain member may or may not be, then it's thread-crapping.

If it is glaringly obvious that the person is a scammer, or you know of them to be a scammer then it is allowed to post and to say so, but only if you are 100% sure.

Daggoth

27-11-2005 20:54:07

I dont like that rule too much. I mean if someone is offering $5 more or less then its not a problem. But if you are offering around $10 less than what most people pay for it, then you should atleast be allowed to tell people that. For example, anything under $15 you should be allowed to tell that person to increase the amt he is paying.

theysayjump

27-11-2005 21:00:47

[quote05f2e05a41="Daggoth"]I dont like that rule too much. I mean if someone is offering $5 more or less then its not a problem. But if you are offering around $10 less than what most people pay for it, then you should atleast be allowed to tell people that. For example, anything under $15 you should be allowed to tell that person to increase the amt he is paying.[/quote05f2e05a41]

Why? roll

Who are we to tell someone how much they should pay for something? Its their money not yours or mine.

If someone can only afford to pay $10 for a green then how can they be expected to pay more? If somebody want's to pay only $10 for a green then it's their choice.

How would you like to be told how much you have to pay for refs?

Daggoth

27-11-2005 21:30:54

Well, I guess its okay for the seller, but if the buyer is new, they would feel somewhat scammed out of $10 after they get to know the site a little more. I'm not saying the rule shouldn't stand since there is always someone offering more money than you, this includes everyone. If they posted in your thread, you would feel robbed out of a green.

Whatever, the punishment seems harsh to people who are not intentionally trying to threadcrap, just giving tips to new users. After a person gets temp banned, they would feel discouraged to help out people.

theysayjump

27-11-2005 21:33:59

[quoteb42bb8be8e="Daggoth"]Whatever, the punishment seems harsh to people who are not intentionally trying to threadcrap, just giving tips to new users. After a person gets temp banned, they would feel discouraged to help out people.[/quoteb42bb8be8e]

[quoteb42bb8be8e="theysayjump"]Pointing out that someone may want to consider paying more is fine, but you can't just outright tell them they should pay more and/or that nobody will do it. If someone wants to offer $10 for FreeiPods.com then fine, that's up to them.[/quoteb42bb8be8e]

Daggoth

27-11-2005 21:37:22

So I guess its just the wording

You will have to pay more or no one will do it. = Temp Ban

You should consider offering more. = Okay

theysayjump

27-11-2005 21:53:59

Yes.

theysayjump

30-11-2005 21:04:51

Unstickied and BUMPed in the hopes that more people will see it.

[ic2bcbbda39][bc2bcbbda39]NEW TRADING RULES ARE NOW IN EFFECT.[/bc2bcbbda39][/ic2bcbbda39][/colorc2bcbbda39][/sizec2bcbbda39]

doylnea

30-11-2005 21:36:21

biggidy bump

theysayjump

01-12-2005 16:13:37

Bump

PoPoJiJo

01-12-2005 16:20:20

hey if we aren't just offering money can we use other icons besides the trade icon? huh huh can we D

theysayjump

01-12-2005 16:22:24

You can use any icon you want for whatever you are offering, unless it's for a cash only offer where you have to use the cash icon. wink

thepalmers03

01-12-2005 22:02:42

love the new rules!!!!

xxxscreamattxxx

01-12-2005 23:10:33

im glad u moved this to the actual topics, its easier to see

Allen626

01-12-2005 23:20:08

Love #4, good improvement. And here is a nice CLEAR bolded colored staement for all the noobs to read. GREAT IMPROVEMENT!

KeithA

02-12-2005 12:26:04

I like these new rules too.

theysayjump

02-12-2005 20:19:12

Bump.

GiftOrb

03-12-2005 12:06:54

yay, we can bump / repost every 3 days instead of 5! ^_^

theysayjump

03-12-2005 18:04:11

Mhmm wink

fgr_admin

04-12-2005 08:45:16

why is this so far down? lol

johnjimjones

04-12-2005 13:19:13

I don't see why this doesn't stay a sticky. No one is going to see it halfway down.

theysayjump

04-12-2005 14:41:06

Actually less people see it when it's a sticky.

Everyone avoids stickies like the plague, but most people scroll down to the bottom of the page at least once when the get in The Trading Post, so if it looks like a regular thread, it catches their eye easier.

Trust me, Ima Robot. Dynomite!

MiamiTJ

04-12-2005 17:08:39

this should be a sticky ...

theysayjump

04-12-2005 17:18:03

[quotec703d3699b="theysayjump"]Actually less people see it when it's a sticky.

Everyone avoids stickies like the plague, but most people scroll down to the bottom of the page at least once when the get in The Trading Post, so if it looks like a regular thread, it catches their eye easier.

Trust me, Ima Robot. Dynomite![/quotec703d3699b]

fgr_admin

04-12-2005 17:40:57

ummmm dont know if anyone mentioned this but shouldnt this be a sticky?

lol [/size0437f84163]

xxxscreamattxxx

04-12-2005 17:49:47

lol, i like it how it is, cuz as theysayjump said, ppl often dont see stickys. me for example, i just scroll and look at the trades because usually stickys are the same thing

MiamiTJ

04-12-2005 18:03:14

I only mentioned it because I did not see it till today. I might of seen it if it was a sticky --- I also read the posts about it being a sticky but just wanted to make the admin work a little and cut/paste

shrug lol lol

j/k -- please don't ban me -- I still need some refs P

ilanbg

04-12-2005 19:19:48

You didn't see it until today because it was a sticky. As soon as he unstickied it, we got a lot more responses.

MiamiTJ

04-12-2005 19:22:27

[quote1e692a0e43="ilanbg"]You didn't see it until today because it was a sticky. As soon as he unstickied it, we got a lot more responses.[/quote1e692a0e43]

oops

theysayjump

04-12-2005 20:48:24

[quote80b6619f15="ilanbg"]You didn't see it until today because it was a sticky. As soon as he unstickied it, we got a lot more responses.[/quote80b6619f15]

wink

Arti

04-12-2005 20:53:44

Are these rules no longer effective? No more 3 day bumps?

theysayjump

04-12-2005 20:55:26

No that is the new rule.

The old rule was 5, the new one is 3.

Everything in the original post on page 1 of this thread is new and is now in effect.

MiamiTJ

04-12-2005 21:02:36

IC im not the only one who does not sleep ...

Arti

05-12-2005 12:05:06

[quotea4b1ef4d73="theysayjump"]No that is the new rule.

The old rule was 5, the new one is 3.

Everything in the original post on page 1 of this thread is new and is now in effect.[/quotea4b1ef4d73]

Yeah, I thought it meant it would only last for that week, not that it would come in effect.

compuguru

06-12-2005 13:39:22

Back to page 1 of the Trading Post! D

doylnea

06-12-2005 21:19:34

(I did enter a message you dumb javascript)

.

theysayjump

07-12-2005 15:33:54

.PMUB

stoogepid

07-12-2005 22:14:10

Is there any way you can just keep one "Rules Thread"? The old one is still a sticky and its rules differ from the new ones. Its hard for noobs to see which one they should follow. Example The old one says 2TR+ and the new one says 4TR+.

theysayjump

07-12-2005 22:25:50

The old one needs edited then.

Thanks for the info but this one will probably just die away and the main one will be edited.

theysayjump

08-12-2005 13:58:54

The stickied rules at the top of the forum have been updated to include these rules, updates and changes.

fgr_admin

13-12-2005 08:28:14

theysayjump

13-12-2005 14:06:07

Oh hello!

Pros-Pear-Eh-T

13-01-2006 12:06:37

Hi,

I know that I can't request TR with someone who does not have 4 or more. So, can I still leave feedback for the party I traded with without requesting TR?

Thanks for clarification,
Pros-Pear-Eh-T

theysayjump

13-01-2006 16:01:28

No.

The only way to leave feedback for the other trader is by changing your status from whatever it is currently, to "Request TR". Then a pop-up will pop-up and ask you enter the feedback.

Also, you canr equest TR for your trade with the other member who is beloew 4TR, but it will be denied.

Pros-Pear-Eh-T

13-01-2006 17:23:58

Thanks, theysayjump, for letting me know.

murdoc

21-01-2006 15:15:20

bump.. found on page 6 of The Trading Post

Brok3n_Sword

06-02-2006 14:28:23

This should really be a sticky..??

theysayjump

06-02-2006 15:24:05

More people see it if it's unstickied.

xxxscreamattxxx

06-02-2006 15:48:11

yea, i dont read stickies because i always think they ar the same as the last time i logged in, i can see this perfectly because when im lookin for trades or see why ppls theads are getting shut down, i see this and check it out, like i just did! )

Scudhawk007

06-02-2006 18:06:33

Good rules! Especially the 3 day bump/new post rule and +4 TR for newbies. Should crack down on scamming.

KeithA

17-03-2006 06:06:45

It's probably a good idea to check this thread out, starting from the beginning.

rboyettester

17-03-2006 09:51:33

HERE HERE! D

Daggoth

26-03-2006 10:00:23

Bump

theysayjump

30-03-2006 19:42:01

UPDATE

The rules have been updated once again and are in immediate effect. Please read them for your own good.

johnjimjones

30-03-2006 20:49:18

What's the reasoning behind the DIY referral sale?

theysayjump

30-03-2006 22:01:21

[quote777ecca17f="johnjimjones"]What's the reasoning behind the DIY referral sale?[/quote777ecca17f]

[quote777ecca17f]The selling of DIY referrals is is no way supported or condoned by FiPG. These sites are difficult to navigate, and even more difficult to complete correctly. There are too many facotors involved in obtaining offer credits for FiPG to moderate or regulate the sale of DIY referrals. Furthermore, it can be assumed that the sale of a DIY referral can be seen by the DIY companies as something worth DQing the seller and or referral. Finally the presumed price of these referrals may attract more scammers to the site, and we'd like to avoid bringing in any more scammers than we already attract.

Ramifications of this Proclamation
NO TR will be granted for DIY referral sales or trades.
There will be no support from moderators or Admin on trades you choose to conduct outside of FiPG, even those trades involving FiPG members.[/quote777ecca17f]

wink

johnjimjones

30-03-2006 22:02:25

Spelt factors wrong. ;)

theysayjump

30-03-2006 22:05:32

Blame doylnea. wink

johnjimjones

30-03-2006 22:07:26

I demand an explaination for this atrocity doylnea.

theysayjump

31-03-2006 14:13:47

Bada-bump.

theysayjump

30-04-2006 20:45:01

BUMP and updated.

Please be aware of the Trading rules before commiting to trades. They're not the same as the site rules and are for your own good.

pochacco

30-04-2006 23:50:53

hello, sorry if this is a funny question... but what is a DIY referral sale? I've never done any DIY site, so I don't know.

Also, I just noticed this situation after 128 successful trades, that is, what if a trader obviously falsely accuse the other as a scammer without having any real and reasonable evidence? I never had this problem before 'til I traded with a newbie.

He's probably unfamiliar with fig, because he doesn't seem to understand the trading procedure. He falsely accused me as a scammer once but other members on this forum was supporting me. Then now, he accused me as a scammer AGAIN, before even confirming with the mod! It is unfair because it hurted my reputation when I didn't even do anything wrong.

First of all, after he gone green for me, 2 days later, I told my friend to sign up and completed the offer for his site. 4 days later, when my friend signed up, completed the offer but didn't go green, he accused me as a scammer the first time. That's only 6 days since he gone gren, and 4 days since my friend signed up. Even when I responded to EVERY SINGLE pm he sent me up 'til then, yet he still accused me as a scammer. That's not even closed to the manual credit request time yet!

Then, after 7 days since my friend signed up the offer, he pmed me everyday asking me to submit the manual credit. He only waited for 2 days later, just because he didn't see my reply, he accused me as a scammer again!

This trader has no patient, understanding and consideration. I think something must be done to those that obviously falsely accuse others as scammer.

fgr_admin

04-06-2006 22:25:06

Can someone sticky this bitch

schizerbone

02-12-2006 20:44:46

3.) The minimum TR for new traders is being raised from 2 to 4. This means that if you have +4TR, then you can trade with anyone and receive TR for it. If you have under +4TR, then to be eligable to receive TR for a trade you have to trade with anyone who has +4TR or higher. You can trade with anyone you want to, but trades requesting TR between 2 users who are both under 4, will be denied. There are a lot of people who have been banned and are coming back with new names and only doing a couple of trades before they are caught, so we believe that although this won't prevent people from being scammed, it will at least (we think) help the matter.

I traded with someone who has less than 4 TR (and I do too)...now if I get to 4, can we then exchange TR for our trade?

theysayjump

03-12-2006 07:43:00

Nope, sorry.

We credit trades based on a user's TR when the trade took place. People re-Request TR for trades they completed before they were 4TR all the time, and we deny and warn them.

Doing so multiple times will only make Keith angry and sleepy.

schizerbone

03-12-2006 09:05:46

[quotee1a11a0c35="theysayjump"]Nope, sorry.

We credit trades based on a user's TR when the trade took place. People re-Request TR for trades they completed before they were 4TR all the time, and we deny and warn them.

Doing so multiple times will only make Keith angry and sleepy.[/quotee1a11a0c35]

I wanna see Keith angry...liinsert shifty eyesli

TFOAF

03-12-2006 12:16:16

Can I ask why this was unstickied? P

YourGiftsFree

03-12-2006 12:43:31

Nobody reads stickies.

theysayjump

03-12-2006 19:58:11

It was never stickied in the first place for the exact reason stated above by YGF.

dmorris68

04-12-2006 08:00:34

Edited OP to fix image links. licoughli

jy3

05-12-2006 18:12:18

TOP!

sonsofwashington

12-01-2007 21:23:06

I think that is fair.

cornflakegirl165

09-02-2007 16:51:37

How do I do this? I'm totally, utterly confused. I signed up for offers. I'm spending money and want to make it. I'm smart, but I'm not understanding any of this AT ALL!!! I'm SOOOOOOO confused! And I'm waiting on a credit in email that hasn't shown up yet for money123; don't know what to do since it isn't showing up in email. Can I post http site or not? How do I ask for help?

dltaylor05

22-02-2007 05:23:42

Thanks for posting this! I believe I was almost scammed by this person cash0708

He contacted me via pm and offered money for green. His account has mysteriously disappeared from here. Hmmmph.

Luckily, my site offer done under his referral hasn't been confirmed on the site he refferre. However, it HAS been completed and is awaiting a sponsor offer confirmation. I guess I should contact the site and ask to be removed from under his referred name? Can that be done?

condra

22-02-2007 05:26:22

[quote79bebbb54c="dltaylor05"]Thanks for posting this! I believe I was almost scammed by this person cash0708

He contacted me via pm and offered money for green. His account has mysteriously disappeared from here. Hmmmph.

Luckily, my site offer done under his referral hasn't been confirmed on the site he refferre. However, it HAS been completed and is awaiting a sponsor offer confirmation. I guess I should contact the site and ask to be removed from under his referred name? Can that be done?[/quote79bebbb54c]

you should definitely do that, the site will tell you if its possible

dltaylor05

22-02-2007 07:07:20

Thanks, Condra. )

PeterGriffin1Fan

22-02-2007 09:51:04

Bump it to the top.

Bluebird

07-04-2007 13:43:18

What is a DIY?

Ilanne

09-04-2007 10:39:38

DIY = Do It Yourself.

Thanks for the update. )

ricochet

10-04-2007 07:14:48

bump

ricochet

11-04-2007 05:58:49

bump

peaceful1

15-04-2007 16:54:42

paying $20 for completed offer on sony.v-bux.com! need 3 referrals for this one!

)

nurse 29

16-05-2007 23:57:59

OK. Don't laugh too hard but, for a somewhat still a newbie, WHAT is a DIY? Learn me ! This is a super place to learn!

dltaylor05

17-05-2007 14:50:25

DIY is an anacronym for [b85b0a85e22]D[/b85b0a85e22]o [b85b0a85e22]I[/b85b0a85e22]t [b85b0a85e22]Y[/b85b0a85e22]ourself. It applies to freebie sites where you do the offer instead of getting referrals to do them. I, myself am notorious for doing DIYs (hence my low TR). Sometimes it's better and cheaper (if you pay for greens) to do it yourself.

skepticalcynic

18-05-2007 01:07:33

This really needs to [i7631f21957][b7631f21957]stick[/b7631f21957][/i7631f21957] at the TOP !!!

amartin99

18-06-2007 05:50:54

firstly I would like to apoligise for bumping my thread so much
I thought the rules was once a day not once every 3 days
I will agust my bumping acordingly
though I don't think anyone had notesed anyway

moving on a bit
you are baning DIY
but I have no idea what that is referring to ?
could somone please explain ?

Retiree

18-06-2007 11:54:50

bump

Violinfanatic

26-08-2007 13:53:51

Are DIY sites bad? I got someone advertising a DIY site on another forum and the offer looked good. But now that I see freeipod forum does not allow it, I am skeptical again. Can you explain to me the implcations of DIYs?

Thank you

Violinfanatic