Jake, my man, pass this along to everyone at Freepay.

Freepay should seriously consider allowing its users to place more than one order on a single site.

For example, I complete FreeiPod.com by doing my offer and referring 5 people to do the same. I order and receive my iPod and decide I want another. I complete [icd5fe5f7b1]another[/icd5fe5f7b1] offer on FreeiPod.com and refer 5 [icd5fe5f7b1]more[/icd5fe5f7b1] people to do the same. I then qualify to order a second iPod.

Now, why is this a good idea for Freepay?

1. I am ALREADY signed up to FreeiPods, so my second order is not going to count as a referral for anyone. You can't tell me your favorite customers aren't the ones who signed up directly at FreeiPod.com, thus not being a referral for anyone. This would be essentially the same thing.

2. It's doing exactly what you want the referral system to do - advertising your sites, getting the word out there, and getting you more members.

3. It's just another little added incentive for people to do your site. I do believe OfferCentric recently implemented this idea into their sites. It would simply help you compete in the market just a little more, and with no downsides to it.

A member's 2nd, 3rd, or any order after the first is only going to be beneficial to Freepay in the same way a new, non-referred member is.


Disadvantages

I can't really think of any. Can you? Well, you'd probably have to do a little bit of programming work to the site, but I'd hope you have a coder on hand...

The only downside to this is that as a repeat customer, you are extremely likely to complete the site again, meaning a reward is payed out once again. FreePay's biggest profit comes from folks who sign up, do their offer, and just get a couple of friends to do the same.

CollidgeGraduit, I was thinking the same thing but maybe the new people referred will do what you said, where they only get a couple friends to join and not get the gift? so then that can become a new chain of bunches of couple friends.

You are correct CG, I didn't really think of that. I still think the Pros outweight the Con, but it's all up to Freepay to make that decision.

Oh yeah, I definitely agree that it would be a cool thing to do. Or maybe a less valuable 2nd gift, like a $200 iTunes card for 5 referrals.

Of course I'd vote yes, but [b7aaee05134]NOT[/b7aaee05134] to have the opportunity of getting the same, or a comparable, item again, but to get those items that really ought to have their own sites, but have been added on to sites I've already completed. Such as the video ipod, and the lower end laptops.

I do hope that Gratis picks up the gauntlet here like they did when OC started NB4F. I just hope it doesn't take as long. )

it would be kewl to redo the site for paypal )

They've had forever to decide to do Paypal or not. I'd think if they do this, it will just be for products.

interesting thread...

Is it me or are these all things that OC already does?

Good idea for users like us, but an overwhelmingly bad idea from a profitablility standpoint.

Don't hold your breath.

[quote00f9f25502="hrdfarkr"]interesting thread...

Is it me or are these all things that OC already does?[/quote00f9f25502]

OC doesn't let you re-order

Chex, you gotta check first...then comment.

Directly from the OC sites when you login today
[quote256e158b9a]You can now get as many free gifts as you want from select sites. Just complete the requirements for your currently selected gift and after you check out, follow the link at the top of your status page.

This feature is available on the following OfferCentric sites

MP3Players4Free.com
Cameras4Free.com
DS4Free.com
iPodShuffles4Free.com
PSPs4Free.com
XBOX3604Free.com
iPodNanos4Free.com
iPodVideos4Free.com
MobilePhones4Free.com [/quote256e158b9a]

Yes they do, on some sites.

their best customers are people who complete an offer and never come back
their worst ones are the ones they have to send gifts too
why would they want a repeat of their worst customer?

[quote0be53968f5="FreeOffersNow"]Good idea for users like us, but an overwhelmingly bad idea from a profitablility standpoint.

Don't hold your breath.[/quote0be53968f5]

Its not like Freepay would lose profit if the offered repeats, even if the send out the gift they still come away ahead. I dont really want them to offer that option though b/c if they did it would be bad for competition which = no new sites that offer gifts. I wish they would offer paypal too, but I bet that freepay is so big now that they prob dont pay msrp for most of their gifts and would lose money that way.

Aprout, nothing you said is true.

[quote3771252850="ilanbg"]Aprout, nothing you said is true.[/quote3771252850]

Like what? They do make a profit of off everyone even from users that recieve gifts. If they did start offering repeats, it would equal less new websites, just b/c no one would feel any need to try other sites, so no one less would be created. As for the wholesale theory, I never said that was true, I was merely guessing. They made 20 million+ in 2004, so they definitely have the resources to make bulk purchases. It also looks like they have their own affiliate network, gratisinternet.com. If thats right, they are def. making more than $50 per offer b/c they eliminated the middle man and get paid the full advertisers full payout.

why not increas the requirements each time you complete the site?

the first time you do it it's the standard 5 refs

the second time they up it to 6 refs

the third time it's 7 refs

......and so forth

that way it's not AS easy to complete the site, but you still could if you want to. remember, they live off people who don't complete this site, so you can't rob them of that by completing it 7-8 times. this way it encourages that, but only to a certain extent. and you still keep the advantages that he listed in the first post

[quote18b761d70d="Aprout"][quote18b761d70d="ilanbg"]Aprout, nothing you said is true.[/quote18b761d70d]

Like what? They do make a profit of off everyone even from users that recieve gifts. If they did start offering repeats, it would equal less new websites, just b/c no one would feel any need to try other sites, so no one less would be created. As for the wholesale theory, I never said that was true, I was merely guessing. They made 20 million+ in 2004, so they definitely have the resources to make bulk purchases. It also looks like they have their own affiliate network, gratisinternet.com. If thats right, they are def. making more than $50 per offer b/c they eliminated the middle man and get paid the full advertisers full payout.[/quote18b761d70d]

They [b18b761d70d]don't[/b18b761d70d] make a profit from those that complete the site. If they offer repeats, new sites will still exist since people here can only trade for freepay sites once either way; do any freesites shut down when freepay announces new sites?

They made 20 million because about 90% (static made up, but the fact remains that most people don't complete freepay sites) of people give up or think it's a scam, so that part isn't really relevant.

Offers almost never offer $50 per offer. Rather than make $15-20 per offer, with their own affiliate network they probably make $18-23 per offer (excluding the few that pay a lot such as the credit card offers).

Bulk purchases don't save them much money, if any. Bulk orders are made to ensure the orders are handled well, since they only have to deal with a few vendors. For example, they're still paying retail for 360's.

You took the words right out of my Mouth ilanbg

Freepay loses massive amount of money when someone finishes.

The only reason they can afford this is because they were the first. So now they pay people who finish with monies made from new customers.

We all know what that is called...lol

[quote5bac8ad0ae]You took the words right out of my Mouth ilanbg [/quote5bac8ad0ae]
I notice you avoid mentioning what I put [i5bac8ad0ae]in[/i5bac8ad0ae] your mouth.

[quote5bac8ad0ae]Offers almost never offer $50 per offer.[/quote5bac8ad0ae]
lol; awkward sentence.

Look at the articles Freepay has on its own website. It says that they get $40-$60 per offer completion.

Yes, but they say that so that people unlike us won't realize Freepay can't actually afford to send gifts.

For example, eFax, which is a very popular offer, pays $10 per lead and up to $20 per sale. Blockbuster pays $18 per lead. Stamps.com pays $60 per sale, but nothing for leads.

Catch my drift?

Freepay is a legal pyramid scheme just like amway

[quoteac19080efe="ilanbg"]Yes, but they say that so that people unlike us won't realize Freepay can't actually afford to send gifts.

For example, eFax, which is a very popular offer, pays $10 per lead and up to $20 per sale. Blockbuster pays $18 per lead. Stamps.com pays $60 per sale, but nothing for leads.

Catch my drift?[/quoteac19080efe]

Where are you getting that info? If that was true sites like fushioncash and instantprofitz wouldnt be sustainable.

Yeah it says those figures on the advertisers websites, but they also lie about what they pay. Like earthlink says they pay $25 per lead/sign up but they actually pay $140, or at least they did last month.

alright so we may disagree on exactly how much different offers cost, but everyone can agree that they make money on people who don't finish the site. noone liked my idea posted earlier? shrug it allows people to do the site multiple times, and allowing freepay extra refs/signups.

yeah, OC lets you. pretty good for me, since the way I get my refs, they just keeeep flowing in! and they have the paypal option. soooo it's like a constant cash flow wink maybe freepay should follow. shrug

[quotee17d37e8c0="Iloveipods2"]yeah, OC lets you. pretty good for me, since the way I get my refs, they just keeeep flowing in! and they have the paypal option. soooo it's like a constant cash flow wink maybe freepay should follow. shrug[/quotee17d37e8c0]
well how do u get your refs? PM me wink

[quoted34795fef9="Berky34"][quoted34795fef9="Iloveipods2"]yeah, OC lets you. pretty good for me, since the way I get my refs, they just keeeep flowing in! and they have the paypal option. soooo it's like a constant cash flow wink maybe freepay should follow. shrug[/quoted34795fef9]
well how do u get your refs? PM me wink[/quoted34795fef9]

i'll tell everyone once i finish all the freepay sites, just wait a few months wink

It is doubtful that anything like this would ever happen. The only way they could possibly do this is... possibly increasing the number of referrals for your next prize or, if you elect to attempt multiple gifts, to raise the number of referrals required up front. Freepay is in business to stay in business, I don't think this will be anything we'd be seeing anytime soon.

1 disadvantage is freepay loses money every time someone completes the site, they dont even come close to breaking even.

[quote1cf88b4dda="mrwzk"]1 disadvantage is freepay loses money every time someone completes the site, they dont even come close to breaking even.[/quote1cf88b4dda]
Hmm. Good point.