Freepays 360 fiasco

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awake33

19-01-2006 20:46:23

To my amazement, it has not been said yet, so here it is.

I can't believe some of you are moronic enough to think that ordering in bulk has anything to do with this Freepay fiasco at this point in time. shock !

1. - Just like it's predacessors, the PS1 & XBOX, the 360 is initially being sold at a loss. The real profit lies in the sale of video games and accessories. There is no price-point break for ordering more than X number of units. idea

2. - In the business world you don't sell a product at a discount for bulk orders when that product is already in such high demand that supply expectations cannot be met. idea

Imagine going to a restaurant that advertises a specialty dish. You place an order for this menu item and are told you must wait until 3 other patrons order the same dish until they can open a container with one of the ingredients in it.....could be 5 minutes, could be 5 hours.

Get the idea that this 360, or any other item from Freepay OR it's competition, it actually free. 'FREE' is a marketing gimmick. There is nothing free about the amount of time and money that goes into completing all of these offers.

As such they should be held to the same standards as any other business. Once you have fulfilled payment, in this case referrals, they are obligated to fulfill their end of the transaction.

IMO you are a fucktard if you think anyone who has a problem with Freepay's handling of this is acceptable. They have received $$$ from our referrals, they have already been paid. Therefore they under obligation to perform. Stop saying 'Its Free! What more do you want?'.

Class-action lawsuits are born from this kind of stuff. They are using the AOL business model, i.e. accepting signups from more people before having dealt with the current customer base. oops

hrdfarkr

19-01-2006 20:48:06

[quote4947ae0126="awake33"]Looking for refs at Freepay for 360Xbox [/quote4947ae0126]

I think that sums up your argument very well.

Daggoth

19-01-2006 21:01:43

[quotebdd8bdf1fd="hrdfarkr"][quotebdd8bdf1fd="awake33"]Looking for refs at Freepay for 360Xbox [/quotebdd8bdf1fd]

I think that sums up your argument very well.[/quotebdd8bdf1fd]

What the hell does that have to do with his argument? You missed his point by a mile.

h3x

19-01-2006 21:05:27

Heres comes yet another lock .. I can feel it.

CoMpFrEaK

19-01-2006 21:06:04

[quote30096eff96="awake33"]

IMO you are a fucktard[/quote30096eff96]

Daggoth

19-01-2006 21:06:18

[quotec66cd16c36="h3x"]Heres comes yet another lock .. I can feel it.[/quotec66cd16c36]

[quotec66cd16c36="awake33"]
IMO you are a fucktard

[/quotec66cd16c36]

That = Temp-Ban, correct?

johnjimjones

19-01-2006 21:07:20

[quote583b02ebdb="h3x"]Heres comes yet another lock .. I can feel it.[/quote583b02ebdb]
What is with everyone sniffing, feeling, or using some type of sense to say there's going to be a lock? No offense, but I don't think its necessary.

CoMpFrEaK

19-01-2006 21:09:23

[quotedec3e8651f="Daggoth"][quotedec3e8651f="h3x"]Heres comes yet another lock .. I can feel it.[/quotedec3e8651f]

[quotedec3e8651f="awake33"]
IMO you are a fucktard

[/quotedec3e8651f]

That = Temp-Ban, correct?[/quotedec3e8651f]

i didnt say it, he did lol

Daggoth

19-01-2006 21:10:09

[quote970c6577c4="CoMpFrEaK"][quote970c6577c4="Daggoth"][quote970c6577c4="h3x"]Heres comes yet another lock .. I can feel it.[/quote970c6577c4]

[quote970c6577c4="awake33"]
IMO you are a fucktard

[/quote970c6577c4]

That = Temp-Ban, correct?[/quote970c6577c4]

i didnt say it, he did lol[/quote970c6577c4]

I never quoted you roll

CoMpFrEaK

19-01-2006 21:10:37

[quotee456c61373="Daggoth"][quotee456c61373="CoMpFrEaK"][quotee456c61373="Daggoth"][quotee456c61373="h3x"]Heres comes yet another lock .. I can feel it.[/quotee456c61373]

[quotee456c61373="awake33"]
IMO you are a fucktard

[/quotee456c61373]

That = Temp-Ban, correct?[/quotee456c61373]

i didnt say it, he did lol[/quotee456c61373]

I never quoted you roll[/quotee456c61373]

roll

Daggoth

19-01-2006 21:12:18

[quote815fd56176="CoMpFrEaK"][quote815fd56176="Daggoth"][quote815fd56176="CoMpFrEaK"][quote815fd56176="Daggoth"][quote815fd56176="h3x"]Heres comes yet another lock .. I can feel it.[/quote815fd56176]

[quote815fd56176="awake33"]
IMO you are a fucktard

[/quote815fd56176]

That = Temp-Ban, correct?[/quote815fd56176]

i didnt say it, he did lol[/quote815fd56176]

I never quoted you roll[/quote815fd56176]

roll[/quote815fd56176]

How'd you end up with -1 TR?

CoMpFrEaK

19-01-2006 21:14:14

[quotea099c65663="Daggoth"][quotea099c65663="CoMpFrEaK"][quotea099c65663="Daggoth"][quotea099c65663="CoMpFrEaK"][quotea099c65663="Daggoth"][quotea099c65663="h3x"]Heres comes yet another lock .. I can feel it.[/quotea099c65663]

[quotea099c65663="awake33"]
IMO you are a fucktard

[/quotea099c65663]

That = Temp-Ban, correct?[/quotea099c65663]

i didnt say it, he did lol[/quotea099c65663]

I never quoted you roll[/quotea099c65663]

roll[/quotea099c65663]

How'd you end up with -1 TR?[/quotea099c65663]

1 trade goes bad, going to be fixed in a few days though.

Daggoth

19-01-2006 21:16:23

[quotec9f58b27d9="CoMpFrEaK"][quotec9f58b27d9="Daggoth"][quotec9f58b27d9="CoMpFrEaK"][quotec9f58b27d9="Daggoth"][quotec9f58b27d9="CoMpFrEaK"][quotec9f58b27d9="Daggoth"][quotec9f58b27d9="h3x"]Heres comes yet another lock .. I can feel it.[/quotec9f58b27d9]

[quotec9f58b27d9="awake33"]
IMO you are a fucktard

[/quotec9f58b27d9]

That = Temp-Ban, correct?[/quotec9f58b27d9]

i didnt say it, he did lol[/quotec9f58b27d9]

I never quoted you roll[/quotec9f58b27d9]

roll[/quotec9f58b27d9]

How'd you end up with -1 TR?[/quotec9f58b27d9]

1 trade goes bad, going to be fixed in a few days though.[/quotec9f58b27d9]

Ah, crap I wanted to be on the top ten TRs list. If you come on it again, that would mean one less spot available (

MyungChunHa

19-01-2006 21:16:24

[quote75b1f4ee7f="awake33"]Get the idea that this 360, or any other item from Freepay OR it's competition, it actually free. 'FREE' is a marketing gimmick. There is nothing free about the amount of time and money that goes into completing all of these offers.

As such they should be held to the same standards as any other business. Once you have fulfilled payment, in this case referrals, they are obligated to fulfill their end of the transaction.

IMO you are a fucktard if you think anyone who has a problem with Freepay's handling of this is acceptable. They have received $$$ from our referrals, they have already been paid. Therefore they under obligation to perform. Stop saying 'Its Free! What more do you want?'.

Class-action lawsuits are born from this kind of stuff. They are using the AOL business model, i.e. accepting signups from more people before having dealt with the current customer base. oops[/quote75b1f4ee7f]
hmmmm.....even though your right about it not being "free".....its still a hell of a lot better than paying retail on anything....i know id rather pay $13 for an ipod than $299 ) .....so why is that urking you so much??....its really not that much work....its the one of the easiest things ive ever done....and its kinda fun....

theysayjump

19-01-2006 21:39:54

2 threads have already been locked. 1 of them after being warned.

If this needs to be locked for a third time, the guilty parties will be banned and any subsequent threads made about it will be locked and the original poster also banned.

KEEP IT CIVIL.

awake33

19-01-2006 22:31:02

[quotef2b844f81b="hrdfarkr"][quotef2b844f81b="awake33"]Looking for refs at Freepay for 360Xbox [/quotef2b844f81b]

I think that sums up your argument very well.[/quotef2b844f81b]

Couple things, I don't come here very often...as indicated by my number of posts. I simply had not updated my sig because I had no plans to use this site for any further trading.

I have a life and don't respond to every other inane posting by someone that I disagree with. This results in me feeling sorry for those who post about whether someone should be banned or a topic should be locked. (

Surely the mods can decide on their own.....surely you have something better to do than police posts in this manner.

I only posted my thoughts because there are hundreds of posts crossing many forums about the Freepay 360 situation, none of which acknowledge some pretty basic facts of the business world. And I suppose I wanted to see if there were any other folks out there with something better to say than 'Get off Freepays &(li^!' or 'Hey man it's free, what more do you want?'

To the person who asked what was so hard about getting this deal done?

Nothing, I am sorry if I made it sound 'too hard'. Realistically the 'difficulty' of completing any offer isn't relevant. Only that once a business has profited from someones efforts, they ought not drag their collective feet about completing their end of the business deal.

justinag06

20-01-2006 03:38:01

say whatever you want to say

but crying about it isnt going to make it come any sooner. I'm sure freepay is trying to get these out ASAP.

it'll get here when it gets here.

need i remind everyone it's still january like when jake said before christmas they wouldn't be able to ship out before january.

Jake

20-01-2006 06:53:14

If we were able to get these damned things, then you would have already had them.

The situation is that simple.

I should have some information soon. I will continue to press for some status update as to whether we will have them or not. Hopefully, I will have some information for you today.

Believe me, we are just as frustrated as you guys are.

Darkfire001

20-01-2006 07:12:11

There IS a discount buying in bulk with the XBox 360, I'm 100% certain of it in at least some situations. Why do I say this?

I was in the Wholesaling Market (Licensed in NC, Still am) for a short while, and I was checking out the 360 to possibly order like 10 (Obviously no discount with that many, but could make a lot on Ebay), and found someone who I think had a lot of 200 they were selling offer (I believe 120 of them were premium).

Aside from that discount was minimal I think it was like $355 for the Premium packages and about $280 for Core.

nextlevel

20-01-2006 08:12:22

I hear where you are coming from, but your little analogy about the restaurant don't hold any water, for the simple fact that if the restaurant does not have the ingredients to make the "specialty dish" the first 3 customers before are also waiting.

Have you ever made reservations for somewhere, and still had to wait.... Your still paying full cost, even after you wait.. Ever make an appointment at the doctors?? Another Wait.. Dentist..Wait.. And you have to pay them full price, and wait for them..

If you want to blame someone for not having a 360 blame ms, not freepay..

Let us know when you can walk into the store and buy one, and can't sell it on ebay for hundreds more, I bet you receive the 360 around then..

Go onto a microsoft forum, and complain to them, we don't wanna hear it..

P.s. I bought a 360, since I knew we were gonna have to WAIT..

Alien Zulu

20-01-2006 08:41:59

[quotea48e82f33b="Darkfire001"]There IS a discount buying in bulk with the XBox 360, I'm 100% certain of it in at least some situations. Why do I say this?

I was in the Wholesaling Market (Licensed in NC, Still am) for a short while, and I was checking out the 360 to possibly order like 10 (Obviously no discount with that many, but could make a lot on Ebay), and found someone who I think had a lot of 200 they were selling offer (I believe 120 of them were premium).

Aside from that discount was minimal I think it was like $355 for the Premium packages and about $280 for Core.[/quotea48e82f33b]

freepay insists that they pay retail price for each box
hard to believe if you ask me but that's their claim

Alien Zulu

20-01-2006 08:48:14

[quotee638a8268e="Jake"]If we were able to get these damned things, then you would have already had them.

The situation is that simple.

I should have some information soon. I will continue to press for some status update as to whether we will have them or not. Hopefully, I will have some information for you today.

Believe me, we are just as frustrated as you guys are.[/quotee638a8268e]

i hope you pass word up the chain that this is costing you guys big time because neither me nor any of my referrals will be using your website again

i just finished last week but i have friends who are pissed off and all i've heard from this program is negative feedback oops

you need to do something to make this right with the people that YOU OWE

this "we can't get any" crap is getting old too
i could drive around town and bring back a truckload of these right now

Rodney

20-01-2006 09:24:47

[quote1613602c0d]all i've heard from this program is negative feedback[/quote1613602c0d]

Then you've been very selective in the posts you read in this forum.

It's not [b1613602c0d]all[/b1613602c0d] negative by a long shot.

Wolfeman

20-01-2006 09:29:19

[quotea7fea446c9="johnjimjones"][quotea7fea446c9="h3x"]Heres comes yet another lock .. I can feel it.[/quotea7fea446c9]
What is with everyone sniffing, feeling, or using some type of sense to say there's going to be a lock? No offense, but I don't think its necessary.[/quotea7fea446c9]

It should be locked. How many freaking times are we going to talk about this. Nothing has changed and this guys points are pointless...

[quotea7fea446c9="awake33"]1. - Just like it's predacessors, the PS1 & XBOX, the 360 is initially being sold at a loss. The real profit lies in the sale of video games and accessories. There is no price-point break for ordering more than X number of units. idea[/quotea7fea446c9]

WRONG! There is always a break in price if you are a reseller and you buy in bulk. You really think BestBuy is paying the same for their 250,000 units as random electronic store? The people that lose money selling 360s is Microsoft not the retailers. They make a lot smaller margin on the consoles than the games and acc. but they don't lose money, not even close.
http//www.joystiq.com/2005/12/28/xbox-360-costs-715-to-make/

[quotea7fea446c9="awake33"]2. - In the business world you don't sell a product at a discount for bulk orders when that product is already in such high demand that supply expectations cannot be met. idea[/quotea7fea446c9]

Wrong again. In order for a store to sell at the MSRP they have to be getting 360s for under $300 & $400. Just because the demand is high, doesn't mean the vendors are selling them for the same price as eBay. No one would buy one from a store for over MSRP unless they are a sucker...

[quotea7fea446c9="awake33"]Imagine going to a restaurant that advertises a specialty dish. You place an order for this menu item and are told you must wait until 3 other patrons order the same dish until they can open a container with one of the ingredients in it.....could be 5 minutes, could be 5 hours.[/quotea7fea446c9]

This is an awful example, I don't even I want to address it.

[quotea7fea446c9="awake33"]Get the idea that this 360, or any other item from Freepay OR it's competition, it actually free. 'FREE' is a marketing gimmick. There is nothing free about the amount of time and money that goes into completing all of these offers.

As such they should be held to the same standards as any other business. Once you have fulfilled payment, in this case referrals, they are obligated to fulfill their end of the transaction. [/quotea7fea446c9]

Everyone knows this stuff isn't free but if you are good at it, its really cheap. They actually have no obligation to send us anything in any time frame, you should read the TOS and. Just because you have to pay or trade for refs doesn't mean they have to be held accountable for it.

[quotea7fea446c9="awake33"]IMO you are a fucktard if you think anyone who has a problem with Freepay's handling of this is acceptable. They have received $$$ from our referrals, they have already been paid. Therefore they under obligation to perform. Stop saying 'Its Free! What more do you want?'.

Class-action lawsuits are born from this kind of stuff. They are using the AOL business model, i.e. accepting signups from more people before having dealt with the current customer base. oops[/quotea7fea446c9]

Calling someone a fucktard at 33 is kind of sad... IMO. I'm not happy we don't have our 360s yet but its not Freepay's fault, its their vendors and its Microsofts fault. When its all said and done all these arguments are, "ME WANTY!!!" and you aren't going to change anything. I'd love to see you try to sue them. I'd laugh my ass off as you spend thousands of dollars to get a $400 item when in the TOS, that you agreed to by signing up, clearly states their policy on backordered items.

[quotea7fea446c9="Freepay's TOS"](b) On occasion, products may be back ordered or discontinued from our supplier or their manufacturer. In cases involving backordered products, products will ship as soon as they are made available. In cases involving discontinued products, we will re-issue you credit so that you can order another product of an equivalent value on our site.

4. Availability of Product

On occasion, products that appear on our websites may be back ordered or discontinued from our supplier or their manufacturer. In cases involving backordered products, products will ship as soon as they are made available. In cases involving discontinued products, we will re-issue you credit so that you can order another product of an equivalent value on our site.[/quotea7fea446c9]

You just got knowledge dropped on you, son...

Wolfeman

20-01-2006 09:30:37

[quoted92e6dd72f="Rodney"][quoted92e6dd72f]all i've heard from this program is negative feedback[/quoted92e6dd72f]

Then you've been very selective in the posts you read in this forum.

It's not [bd92e6dd72f]all[/bd92e6dd72f] negative by a long shot.[/quoted92e6dd72f]

Yeah, check out the Brag Bag where there are hundreds of posts of people getting gifts...

Alien Zulu

20-01-2006 09:30:45

[quote02f339e69e="Rodney"][quote02f339e69e]all i've heard from this program is negative feedback[/quote02f339e69e]

Then you've been very selective in the posts you read in this forum.

It's not [b02f339e69e]all[/b02f339e69e] negative by a long shot.[/quote02f339e69e]

interesting
find me a single post from someone saying they are happy about the way this xbox thing is going and i'll buy you lunch

Wolfeman

20-01-2006 09:35:16

I have 0 problem and I'm super happy.

I think Quiznos would be good )

I agree the 360 is sucky but its not really their fault and I don't see this affecting their company by losing refs. People haven't stopped signing up for PS3 have they?

Alien Zulu

20-01-2006 09:40:11

[quote1ba23742fa="Wolfeman"] People haven't stopped signing up for PS3 have they?[/quote1ba23742fa]

i know i won't

Wolfeman

20-01-2006 09:44:18

You are missing out, sucks...

nextlevel

20-01-2006 09:49:51

sux i was just approved for my ps3 a few days ago..

I won't really expect to have it when it is released because of high-demand but I got it for well below what it would cost..

lizzy67

20-01-2006 09:50:00

[quote6bcc9d7a71="Jake"]

Believe me, we are just as frustrated as you guys are.[/quote6bcc9d7a71]


no offense but I doubt this is true considering you guys have mad a butt ton of money off of us and we still have nothing to show for it.

Wolfeman

20-01-2006 09:54:58

LOL, a butt ton of money...

They have shipped out over $10M in items, no 360s yet, but they want to keep their users happy and I'm sure they are trying their hardest to get 360s for us...

Jake

20-01-2006 09:58:25

[quote41de8e96ea="lizzy67"]
no offense but I doubt this is true considering you guys have mad a butt ton of money off of us and we still have nothing to show for it.[/quote41de8e96ea]

We want to fulfill our customers orders. Since we are unable to fulfill those orders, we are frustrated because we want this to be over with as much as you do.

We want you to have your 360s. The problem is that we do not have them yet.

Driving around to every BestBuy in the general area to pick up 1 or 2 at each location is not a viable solution to this problem.

MyungChunHa

20-01-2006 10:05:52

[quotec78339c908="Wolfeman"]You just got knowledge dropped on you, son...[/quotec78339c908]
LMAO lol .....damn wolfeman i agree 100%.....+karma dude.....

Cow-Tipper

20-01-2006 10:08:50

jake, could you tell us if freepay has any at all?

VGM

20-01-2006 10:24:27

[quoteed6adac805="Jake"][quoteed6adac805="lizzy67"]
no offense but I doubt this is true considering you guys have mad a butt ton of money off of us and we still have nothing to show for it.[/quoteed6adac805]

We want to fulfill our customers orders. Since we are unable to fulfill those orders, we are frustrated because we want this to be over with as much as you do.

We want you to have your 360s. The problem is that we do not have them yet.

Driving around to every BestBuy in the general area to pick up 1 or 2 at each location is not a viable solution to this problem.[/quoteed6adac805]

Thanks for the reply at least...keeping us somewhat in the know does help.

Jake

20-01-2006 10:50:50

[quoteaf5087e2d0="Cow-Tipper"]jake, could you tell us if freepay has any at all?[/quoteaf5087e2d0]

We have absolutely zero at this moment but are working on procuring them.

Cow-Tipper

20-01-2006 10:52:14

[quotec0ac96e492="Jake"][quotec0ac96e492="Cow-Tipper"]jake, could you tell us if freepay has any at all?[/quotec0ac96e492]

We have absolutely zero at this moment but are working on procuring them.[/quotec0ac96e492]

ouch, thats a blow to the baby maker, are you still trying to get all orders filled in one hit?

Daggoth

20-01-2006 10:55:33

[quotef405e7db7f="Cow-Tipper"][quotef405e7db7f="Jake"][quotef405e7db7f="Cow-Tipper"]jake, could you tell us if freepay has any at all?[/quotef405e7db7f]

We have absolutely zero at this moment but are working on procuring them.[/quotef405e7db7f]

ouch, thats a blow to the baby maker, are you still trying to get all orders filled in one hit?[/quotef405e7db7f]

Doubt it

kposse77

20-01-2006 11:10:29

It certainly does put a pretty huge dent in trying to fulfill orders sometime in January...

Jake

20-01-2006 11:15:48

[quote622f4e4f9c="Cow-Tipper"]

ouch, thats a blow to the baby maker, are you still trying to get all orders filled in one hit?[/quote622f4e4f9c]

We are trying to get as many as we can. We have a substantial amount of orders waiting and we are trying to get a sizeable amount of these items so we can clear out the queue significantly. This means that we are not trying to get 10 or 20. We are trying to get a quantity like 100 or 200.

It still hasn't happened.

Cow-Tipper

20-01-2006 11:21:40

[quote145aa5dedd="Jake"][quote145aa5dedd="Cow-Tipper"]

ouch, thats a blow to the baby maker, are you still trying to get all orders filled in one hit?[/quote145aa5dedd]

We are trying to get as many as we can. We have a substantial amount of orders waiting and we are trying to get a sizeable amount of these items so we can clear out the queue significantly. This means that we are not trying to get 10 or 20. We are trying to get a quantity like 100 or 200.

It still hasn't happened.[/quote145aa5dedd]

thats more info i have heard for awhile, and its great, makes me feel kinda warm and tosty inside, even tough its not te news everyone want to hear, it tells me a lot, like
1) You are working to get the 360s,
2) you have a significant amount of orders (over 200 at least)
3)....well i dont really have a 3

satisfied me )

kposse77

20-01-2006 11:25:17

Thanks for the info Jake. Any way you could let us in on how many orders are actually waiting to be shipped though? With the number of people in these posts, it almost seems like you may have had 200 accounts approved in the first week.

jsw138

20-01-2006 11:27:17

If it is free, why complain???? Just my two cents. Jake and Freepay, keep up the good work.

Ethan

20-01-2006 11:36:34

Thanks Jake... this is what I needed to hear.... I'm good for a week or two now P

Drummer16161616

20-01-2006 11:41:39

[quoteaae7c3e248="Jake"][quoteaae7c3e248="Cow-Tipper"]

ouch, thats a blow to the baby maker, are you still trying to get all orders filled in one hit?[/quoteaae7c3e248]

We are trying to get as many as we can. We have a substantial amount of orders waiting and we are trying to get a sizeable amount of these items so we can clear out the queue significantly. This means that we are not trying to get 10 or 20. We are trying to get a quantity like 100 or 200.

It still hasn't happened.[/quoteaae7c3e248]

Well with the low supplies that are likely to continue, I don't see why you guys wouldn't ship out small quantities like 10-20. It's unlikely that you'll be able to get such huge orders anytime soon. You might as well appease some people and ship them out as you get them.

austin01

20-01-2006 12:00:47

[quoteda3aaee5bd="Drummer16161616"][quoteda3aaee5bd="Jake"][quoteda3aaee5bd="Cow-Tipper"]

ouch, thats a blow to the baby maker, are you still trying to get all orders filled in one hit?[/quoteda3aaee5bd]

We are trying to get as many as we can. We have a substantial amount of orders waiting and we are trying to get a sizeable amount of these items so we can clear out the queue significantly. This means that we are not trying to get 10 or 20. We are trying to get a quantity like 100 or 200.

It still hasn't happened.[/quoteda3aaee5bd]

Well with the low supplies that are likely to continue, I don't see why you guys wouldn't ship out small quantities like 10-20. It's unlikely that you'll be able to get such huge orders anytime soon. You might as well appease some people and ship them out as you get them.[/quoteda3aaee5bd]

Exactly, You should reward the ones who finished this site six months ago. Trying to wait until you get say 200 could take quite a while longer. It just doesn't seem fair that those who finished the site a long time ago have to be penalized until you can get enough orders to fill those that say finished the site a few weeks ago.

kevxross

20-01-2006 12:27:39

You guys really aren't missin out on much. Even if you got your 360 today you'd probably just be calling M$ and waiting for them to ship you an empty box for a repair order.

Rodney

20-01-2006 12:30:17

[quote95ef47838c="Alien Zulu"][quote95ef47838c="Rodney"][quote95ef47838c]all i've heard from this program is negative feedback[/quote95ef47838c]

Then you've been very selective in the posts you read in this forum.

It's not [b95ef47838c]all[/b95ef47838c] negative by a long shot.[/quote95ef47838c]

interesting
find me a single post from someone saying they are happy about the way this xbox thing is going and i'll buy you lunch[/quote95ef47838c]

Here ya go (there are lots more)
http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?p=267694&highlight=#267694

Also, if you look at the bigger picture of freepay as a company, you'll get a much brighter view of the situation.

It's not always rainbows and butterflies, but it's not all negative as you suggested.

I'll take paypal, thanks )

Crynos

20-01-2006 12:52:34

id take a supercert D

TimTheSloth

20-01-2006 12:59:19

[quotec626f81ae4="jsw138"]If it is free, why complain???? Just my two cents. Jake and Freepay, keep up the good work.[/quotec626f81ae4]

Did you even read the first post?

zer0dmb

20-01-2006 13:01:25

[quotea2544bfb5d="Rodney"]

Also, if you look at the bigger picture of freepay as a company, you'll get a much brighter view of the situation.

[ba2544bfb5d]It's not always rainbows and butterflies, [/ba2544bfb5d][/sizea2544bfb5d]but it's not all negative as you suggested.

I'll take paypal, thanks )[/quotea2544bfb5d]


Please do not quote Maroon 5 in any more of your posts. Thanks!

/zer0

ffactoryxx

20-01-2006 13:19:56

I understand the situation and the fact that you are trying to get large quantites but this isnt going to happen any time soon.


Maybe you could answer this JAKE

If you want this to be over fast why not offer a 400+tax supercertificate to people as an alternative. Like see who wants one and take orders until a certain date then ship them instead. This means less people compliaing, a showing or progress and less 360's to ship. Sounds like a win win situation

Jake

20-01-2006 13:30:15

http//xbox.clambert.org/

A list of retailers and the status of their inventory - notice that the VAST majority of the retailers listed here say - Sold Out.

http//videogames.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?EAN=2000003098415

A $900.00 package with games and such. It seems the supply shortage has brought the price up quite a bit as well.

Cow-Tipper

20-01-2006 13:32:22

that would be nice, then i could walk right into my local best buy and get it, when i had the time and they had a shipment in

dug1200

20-01-2006 13:45:31

you all realize that bitching and moaning to Jake is only going to piss him off and tell all of us to f^(& off and not come back to the forums....i understand WE ALL want our xbox 360's...but like someone before me has said ...this is not helping us get our products faster

now i know that last year ...gratis sent out checks for freehandbags because they couldnt find the LV or whatever type of handbag...if they go this route...there is no way we will see 399 + tax...they are prolly tax exempt...and there is no way that they will give us that....its just something that you will have to deal with

Cow-Tipper

20-01-2006 13:48:09

[quote7cb24bda53="dug1200"]you all realize that bitching and moaning to Jake is only going to piss him off and tell all of us to f^(& off and not come back to the forums....i understand WE ALL want our xbox 360's...but like someone before me has said ...this is not helping us get our products faster[/quote7cb24bda53]

We're not(at least im not) bitching at anyone, i just wanted some info. I understand it is hard to get 200 360s

Edit I cant spell

Wolfeman

20-01-2006 13:49:07

I remember Jake saying pretty definitively there will be no check option. I can't find the post...

ffactoryxx

20-01-2006 13:51:41

Ohh. I know. I wasnt trying to be an asshole. I was just simply asking why they couldnt do this. Either way ill be waiting

Rodney

20-01-2006 13:52:18

[quote0044477087="zer0dmb"][quote0044477087="Rodney"]

Also, if you look at the bigger picture of freepay as a company, you'll get a much brighter view of the situation.

[b0044477087]It's not always rainbows and butterflies, [/b0044477087][/size0044477087]but it's not all negative as you suggested.

I'll take paypal, thanks )[/quote0044477087]


Please do not quote Maroon 5 in any more of your posts. Thanks!

/zer0[/quote0044477087]

Dangit...I knew someone would find me out! Darn Maroon 5 listeners ;)

Wolfeman

20-01-2006 13:52:42

I know ffactory, I'm just saying this is what I remember hearing...

lizzy67

20-01-2006 13:58:26

[quote1f46b2a0f6="Wolfeman"] I'd love to see you try to sue them. I'd laugh my ass off as you spend thousands of dollars to get a $400 item when in the TOS, that you agreed to by signing up, clearly states their policy on backordered items.

[quote1f46b2a0f6="Freepay's TOS"](b) On occasion, products may be back ordered or discontinued from our supplier or their manufacturer. In cases involving backordered products, products will ship as soon as they are made available. In cases involving discontinued products, we will re-issue you credit so that you can order another product of an equivalent value on our site. [/quote1f46b2a0f6]



You just got knowledge dropped on you, son...[/quote1f46b2a0f6]

Not necessarily true. Just because some thing is listed in the TOS does not make it legal or even fair. Not everything in a TOS is always enforceable.

Have you ever parked in valet parking? On the back of your ticket stub it usually says something along the lines of

"by using this service you acknowledge that we are not responsilbe for any damage that may occur to your car while in our care and waive the right to bring suit upon the ocassion of such damage."

Sounds good but its not enforceable. They put it there because the no most people will read that and say oh sit I guess I can't sue them....WRONG! You can sue the shit out of them if they fuck up your car.

Moral of the story Just because something is in a contract or TOS does not mean it is legal/fair/enforceable. Contracts are always contested in court and a lot of times they are over turned.

I'm not saying that people should try to sue freepay. In fact they probably shouldn't. I'm just saying you shouldn't always live and die by the TOS. If something is unfair our justice system usually has a way of rectifying it.

Now you've had some knowledge dropped on [b1f46b2a0f6]you[/b1f46b2a0f6] Wolfy

KeithA

20-01-2006 14:03:21

[quote8b97b9dfa3="lizzy67"]...You can sue the shit out of them if they fuck up your car.[/quote8b97b9dfa3]

Lizzy, old bird, you curse like a sailor.

Wolfeman

20-01-2006 14:08:14

[quotea94daf0f2b="lizzy67"][quotea94daf0f2b="Wolfeman"] I'd love to see you try to sue them. I'd laugh my ass off as you spend thousands of dollars to get a $400 item when in the TOS, that you agreed to by signing up, clearly states their policy on backordered items.

[quotea94daf0f2b="Freepay's TOS"](b) On occasion, products may be back ordered or discontinued from our supplier or their manufacturer. In cases involving backordered products, products will ship as soon as they are made available. In cases involving discontinued products, we will re-issue you credit so that you can order another product of an equivalent value on our site. [/quotea94daf0f2b]



You just got knowledge dropped on you, son...[/quotea94daf0f2b]

Not necessarily true. Just because some thing is listed in the TOS does not make it legal or even fair. Not everything in a TOS is always enforceable.

Have you ever parked in valet parking? On the back of your ticket stub it usually says something along the lines of

"by using this service you acknowledge that we are not responsilbe for any damage that may occur to your car while in our care and waive the right to bring suit upon the ocassion of such damage."

Sounds good but its not enforceable. They put it there because the no most people will read that and say oh sit I guess I can't sue them....WRONG! You can sue the shit out of them if they fuck up your car.

Moral of the story Just because something is in a contract or TOS does not mean it is legal/fair/enforceable. Contracts are always contested in court and a lot of times they are over turned.

I'm not saying that people should try to sue freepay. In fact they probably shouldn't. I'm just saying you shouldn't always live and die by the TOS. If something is unfair our justice system usually has a way of rectifying it.

Now you've had some knowledge dropped on [ba94daf0f2b]you[/ba94daf0f2b] Wolfy[/quotea94daf0f2b]

Fair doesn't mean anything. A lot of rules are unfair. You don't have to do their site if you don't want, you aren't being forced. If the thing on the back of the valet means nothing, why would it be there, at every valet in the country? You think they just do it for fun?

Or how about my dad's Suburban got fucked up ($1000 damage) at a valet and when we sued we got nothing because we agreed to waive our rights to sue for damages when handing over the keys and we couldn't prove they had done anything wrong. They claimed it was like they when we got there and since we implictly agreed to the contract, we had no standing.

Yeah, so shhhh....

Rodney

20-01-2006 14:12:38

[quoteb84195fac8]Contracts are always contested in court and a lot of times they are over turned.[/quoteb84195fac8]

I don't think "a lot of times" would be a correct statement. Probably not even the "majority" of the time.

While there [bb84195fac8]are[/bb84195fac8] times when a court overules what a contract says, it takes a LOT of evidence to prove the contract was invalid.

It's not like you can just cry foul and get your monetary damages.

justinag06

20-01-2006 14:21:19

[quote91e5aa8526="lizzy67"][quote91e5aa8526="Wolfeman"] I'd love to see you try to sue them. I'd laugh my ass off as you spend thousands of dollars to get a $400 item when in the TOS, that you agreed to by signing up, clearly states their policy on backordered items.

[quote91e5aa8526="Freepay's TOS"](b) On occasion, products may be back ordered or discontinued from our supplier or their manufacturer. In cases involving backordered products, products will ship as soon as they are made available. In cases involving discontinued products, we will re-issue you credit so that you can order another product of an equivalent value on our site. [/quote91e5aa8526]



You just got knowledge dropped on you, son...[/quote91e5aa8526]

Not necessarily true. Just because some thing is listed in the TOS does not make it legal or even fair. Not everything in a TOS is always enforceable.

Have you ever parked in valet parking? On the back of your ticket stub it usually says something along the lines of

"by using this service you acknowledge that we are not responsilbe for any damage that may occur to your car while in our care and waive the right to bring suit upon the ocassion of such damage."

Sounds good but its not enforceable. They put it there because the no most people will read that and say oh sit I guess I can't sue them....WRONG! You can sue the shit out of them if they fuck up your car.

Moral of the story Just because something is in a contract or TOS does not mean it is legal/fair/enforceable. Contracts are always contested in court and a lot of times they are over turned.

I'm not saying that people should try to sue freepay. In fact they probably shouldn't. I'm just saying you shouldn't always live and die by the TOS. If something is unfair our justice system usually has a way of rectifying it.

Now you've had some knowledge dropped on [b91e5aa8526]you[/b91e5aa8526] Wolfy[/quote91e5aa8526]


yeah but the difference is you willingly participated in their service which makes you accountable

come on it's free

for me it really was free

even it its not it's half price

I dont see why you people arent going to do ps3 because of a little problem like this. Do it for free over the course of the next 5 months, then go wait in the damn line and buy yourself one if you want it so bad. Then you'll get a free one you can sell later on.

We'll start seeing orders in the next month i'm sure and by mid feb this will all be over. So just say I won't get my xbox untill march and whenever it gets here it does.

really there arent any good games out for this yet from what ive seen.

TimTheSloth

20-01-2006 15:09:19

I doubt people will buy a ps3 instead of using freepay for it, I think people will probably just do the Trainn ps3 site instead... I'll probably do both.

lizzy67

20-01-2006 16:03:17

[quote1bab967661="Wolfeman"]



Fair doesn't mean anything. A lot of rules are unfair. You don't have to do their site if you don't want, you aren't being forced. If the thing on the back of the valet means nothing, why would it be there, at every valet in the country? You think they just do it for fun?

Or how about my dad's Suburban got fucked up ($1000 damage) at a valet and when we sued we got nothing because we agreed to waive our rights to sue for damages when handing over the keys and we couldn't prove they had done anything wrong. They claimed it was like they when we got there and since we implictly agreed to the contract, we had no standing.

Yeah, so shhhh....[/quote1bab967661]

Even though it means nothing they put it on the back of the ticket because it discourages a lot of people from suing because the think just as you do that they had actually waived their rights and there is nothing they can do.

As far as your dad's suburban, I recommend getting a better attorney next time, because you got punk'd by the valet

Wolfeman

20-01-2006 16:54:01

[quote5003570464="lizzy67"]Even though it means nothing they put it on the back of the ticket because it discourages a lot of people from suing because the think just as you do that they had actually waived their rights and there is nothing they can do.[/quote5003570464]
You are so smart, what law school did you go to? What college did you go to? GED? You make things up while we actually had to deal with it. Unless there is clear negligence, your chances of winning aren't good because you just don't have proof. This is what the judge told us. He said he believes us but we cannot prove the damage took place at the valet.

[quote5003570464="lizzy67"]As far as your dad's suburban, I recommend getting a better attorney next time, because you got punk'd by the valet[/quote5003570464]
We didn't have an attorney because it was taken to small claims court. It would be [i5003570464]real[/i5003570464] smart to pay an attorney to collect $1000...

[sacasm]I love theses 360 threads, they always stay on topic and help us all get our 360s faster...[/sarcasm]

Drummer16161616

20-01-2006 17:05:50

Why doesn't everyone stop bickering and just use this as an update thread lol.

Fugger

20-01-2006 17:20:52

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I want the 360
I want the free 360
I want to have it so I can play it
It's my box of video games
Give it to me
Now!

[img="1d7ca5968b]http/" alt=""/img229.imageshack.us/img="229/2202/ompalumpamen5sf.jpg[" alt=""/img1d7ca5968b]
Oompa Loompa doompadee doo
I've got another puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa doompadah dee
If you are wise you will listen to me

Who do you blame when your kid is a brat
Pampered and spoiled like a Siamese cat?
Blaming the kids is a lion of shame
You know exactly who's to blame
The mother and the father!

Wolfeman

20-01-2006 17:22:35

LOL! +karma...

crazyates

20-01-2006 17:54:47

LMAO!!!
+krma from me as well...that was good lol lol

igneous

20-01-2006 18:50:41

[quote3fb4eb6f9d="kevxross"]You guys really aren't missin out on much. Even if you got your 360 today you'd probably just be calling M$ and waiting for them to ship you an empty box for a repair order.[/quote3fb4eb6f9d]
The failure rate of the xbox360 is similar to every other console ever made. The few problems that have occured were just blown way out of proportion by moronic sony sackriders.

kristylez

20-01-2006 19:26:31

[quote71e4202203]If you want to blame someone for not having a 360 blame ms, not freepay..[/quote71e4202203]

I really need people to stop blaming Microsoft for another company's problems. If a company gives their word to have something by a certain date, then have it. But ya know what, whether freepay specified a date or not, don't blame their shortcomings on Microsoft because I can gaurantee you Freepay didn't assume when they got into this that Microsoft would have some great surplus and they didn't calculate any kind of supply and demand factors or bs like that. They saw a product with a demand, a great business opportunity within their reach, and as soon as it received its price they got soemthing up and running for their profit. Whether you feel the time frame is suitable is up to you. This has nothing to do with Micrsoft and its supposed deficit of supply because on one hand you have Microsoft telling you they're right on schedule and on the other hand you have Freepay saying they're behind. Microsoft is exactly where they intended on being so who's any other company to say they should have had a certain amount out by a certain time or they would be "behind". This is not complaining, this is food for thought.

And another thing, this service is NOT FREE. Please go sit in an introductory economics course or something. Wheter you pay for referrals or not it's not free. Whether you enjoy getting referrals or not, it's not free... many (or some) people enjoy WORK. It's debatable and varies in everyone's situation what the time they took on this project/venture was worth but everything has an opportunity cost... time is money... and time is not free.

And this last part is kind of what I think I'd be doing if I were freepay. Since time is money, why you have this nice chunkload of money from not distributing any of this money and you've had it for a few months... Let some interest build up on that beautiful chunk of money. Aww you can't imagine the profit you can make with some interest on a chunk of money like that. I know the time is not as long but that's still a nice bit of time. It's been about 3-4 months since I finished and oh I'd go sit that bit of money on a nice interest rate and watch it grow... then on top of that buy it at a good bulk order price. That's making money on top of money. But that's only assumption what can be being done, but the above, is much more tangible.

awake33

20-01-2006 19:31:45

First, and most importantly, my original post was meant as a response to all the Freepay a$$kissing. I'm not complaining about not having my 360. I don't even play games and as for multimedia, it is lacking to say the least. I will sell mine for a flat fee to someone local and charge less than the retail cost for a quick buck, the money will go into my house. This is about principals. Seems people are all to willing to be complacent and make excuses for companies when they don't need to be given. If these people want to vent, let them, who gives a @#%@. Why do so many of you feel the need to defend some big company that you don't know, don't hold stock in, and don't work at?

[quote0644d4f3b9="Wolfeman"][quote0644d4f3b9="lizzy67"]Even though it means nothing they put it on the back of the ticket because it discourages a lot of people from suing because the think just as you do that they had actually waived their rights and there is nothing they can do.[/quote0644d4f3b9]
You are so smart, what law school did you go to? What college did you go to? GED? You make things up while we actually had to deal with it. Unless there is clear negligence, your chances of winning aren't good because you just don't have proof. This is what the judge told us. He said he believes us but we cannot prove the damage took place at the valet.

[quote0644d4f3b9="lizzy67"]As far as your dad's suburban, I recommend getting a better attorney next time, because you got punk'd by the valet[/quote0644d4f3b9]
We didn't have an attorney because it was taken to small claims court. It would be [i0644d4f3b9]real[/i0644d4f3b9] smart to pay an attorney to collect $1000...

[sacasm]I love theses 360 threads, they always stay on topic and help us all get our 360s faster...[/sarcasm][/quote0644d4f3b9]

Wolfman, you are asking how is she so smart? This goes both ways. Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning you intellect, but rather pointing out that she could just as easily ask you the same question. None of us is any more credible than any other person in here.

To clarify, when I said these units are being sold at a loss, I meant at MS's loss, not Bestbuy, Walmart, etc. That is not to say the customer retailers are losing money, they are not.

[quote0644d4f3b9]Wrong again. In order for a store to sell at the MSRP they have to be getting 360s for under $300 & $400. Just because the demand is high, doesn't mean the vendors are selling them for the same price as eBay. No one would buy one from a store for over MSRP unless they are a sucker...
[/quote0644d4f3b9]

I never mentioned eBay. But in fact many retailers, especially on-line ones, have been selling the bundles well above MSRP.....apparently there are plenty of suckers out there.....then again that is my whole point.

[quote0644d4f3b9]Everyone knows this stuff isn't free but if you are good at it, its really cheap. They actually have no obligation to send us anything in any time frame, you should read the TOS and. Just because you have to pay or trade for refs doesn't mean they have to be held accountable for it. [/quote0644d4f3b9]

You are forgetting that there exceptions to every rule, these things must be examined case by case. Obviously at this point anything we say is opinion and nothing more. But there are examples out there. AOL had a TOS, just like ANY other ISP company, stating that service is NOT guaranteed.....They have been sued two times in class-action suits and lost. Blockbuster has a TOS stating exactly what fees would be charged for late rental returns.....they recently settled a class-action case deeming the fees 'too high'. You had a poor lawyer and/or no evidence and/or the judge just didn't care. Sometimes in a court of law, where rules are supposed to decide everything in black and white, there is luck involved. Judges and attorneys are just people...with opinions and emotions, they are not perfect and as such do not always keep those two factors from affecting their judgements.

So, again, I'm not complaining. I'm tired of seeing everyone dog those who are when they have a valid point about alot of the complaints.

Its simple, there are alot of 360s available where I live. They are not sold out here near Seattle.

Crynos

20-01-2006 19:45:55

This is what I have a problem with...
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fox_91

20-01-2006 19:49:56

I know this came up before i believe, but why not offer a gift card or check option for the time being to clear the Queue of xboxs? i for one would proably rather have a check or a GC and go out to my local BB and get one when they have them in stock. i understand wanting to get a larger bunch before sending them out, but i can count at least a half dozen times when if i had 400 bucks in my pocket i could have just bought a 360 and let someone else get the one i should have gotten from freepay.

Wolfeman

20-01-2006 20:19:43

You guys are all right. How could I be so wrong? I bet everyone that complained is getting their 360s first. I'm jealous...

FreeOffersNow

20-01-2006 21:16:43

I'm not going to pretend to have read half the shit some of you morons have said...but I will say this

Quit complaining...you'll get your 360 eventually. While I don't know my exact queue, I can assure you that I was probably approved before everyone in this discussion, and before more than 99% of all approved accounts. Does this mean I deserve my 360 before the rest of you? Maybe. Do I CARE if I get my 360 before the rest of you? Not at all.
The thing is, all this complaining isn't going to help anyone...and it certainly won't speed things up.

Further, regardless of what you may think, supply IS low...and the blame CANNOT be placed on any one party; FreePay relies on vendors, vendors rely on supply (Microsoft), Microsoft relies on parts from several manufacturers, and manufacturers, believe it or not, HAVE PRODUCTION CAPACITIES. This means that any given factory can produce only so many units of any one product in a given time period. I'm not going to get into the dynamic of production capacities, but here's the jist to increase capacity takes time + money, to decrees capacity takes layoffs. I seem to remember seeing one of you telling another to "go to an introductory economics course or something." Well, on that same note...consider the following take the time you spent whining on this forum, and GET A JOB. McDonald's pays what...$5.50 an hour? Guess what!?!? That means that after 2 weeks you could afford a 360!!! OMGZ!

Finally, some of you have suggested that FreePay simply look to purchase the systems in smaller quantities. While I don't know the dynamics of their operation, I do understand economies of scale. This law refers to the decreased per unit cost as output increases. Couple this with the fact that shipping such small quantities would be a fulfillment managers NIGHTMARE, and perhaps you will begin to understand FreePay's current position.

In short...be patient, stop complaining, and if you "need" a 360 that bad...get a job. That is all. </rant>

austin01

20-01-2006 22:27:51

[quotee0459bba6d="FreeOffersNow"]I'm not going to pretend to have read half the shit some of you morons have said...but I will say this

Quit complaining...you'll get your 360 eventually. While I don't know my
In short...be patient, stop complaining, and if you "need" a 360 that bad...get a job. That is all. </rant>[/quotee0459bba6d]

Daggoth

20-01-2006 22:31:44

Bad Move. You shouldn't argue with a moderator especially one like him.

FreeOffersNow

20-01-2006 22:43:48

[quote4c572d130a="austin01"]First don't ever tell me or any one else what to do. Of course we'll get our 360's eventually. What a freakin great post that was. Damn your a genious. I already have a 360 since Nov 22. I didn't trust Freepay back then after what happened with the PSP and I went in pre-ordered it back in July. I'm glad I did that. Do I need another system. No not really but thats not the point. If you say your going to ship something out then ship something out. I don't how you get them but get them. I'm not the one who screwed up. The time Freepay will be able to order say 200 or so will likely by May. That not acceptable. They have our money off our referrals and there not keeping their promise. You and wolfman need to keep kissing freepays a$$, or go work for them. So don't ever tell me or anyone else what to do.[/quote4c572d130a]

Look at you in all your 4 posts of experience. I'm glad you recognize that I'm a genius (as opposed to genious), because you're (as opposed to your) obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed. Though, I'll stop here with the spelling/grammatical corrections, because you've made far too many for me to meaningfully incorporate into this reply. Moving on...if you didn't "trust" FreePay, then why did you "invest" in their free 360 site? The fact is that you were aware of the risks associated with the site and you pursued the site anyway. It's that simple. And by the way...I've a much better relationship with FreePay than you could ever imagine...thus my posting my thoughts here has nothing to do with "kissing freepays a$$."

"So don't ever tell me or anyone else what to do." - Or what? You'll beat me up? Damn...I better go hide in a closet or something.

Wolfeman

20-01-2006 22:51:38

^^^LOL^^^

I'm not kissing Freepay's ass. It does me no good to kiss their ass just like it does no good to whine about your 360. I'm just sick of the crying and I know how frustrating it is to deal with vendors and annoying customers...

MyungChunHa

20-01-2006 22:58:07

i sure love debates lol ......

kristylez

21-01-2006 03:16:15

[quote3292b73bfc]take the time you spent whining on this forum, and GET A JOB. McDonald's pays what...$5.50 an hour? Guess what!?!? That means that after 2 weeks you could afford a 360!!! OMGZ! [/quote3292b73bfc]

Someone please tell me how it would be an intelligent decision to work and pay for a certain item (to freepay for example) only to wait a few months and then work and pay for it again to another company? If you were going to make logical points, stick to making them. Assuming someone doesn't have a job or pretending to know someone's financial situation in this case is... since you're a moderator... uncalled for.

I am in college and have a job. I am very satisfied with my academics and financial situation.

And if you think paying for an item 4 months ago is the same as paying for an item today then you're wrong. That money 4 months ago had much more potential for its own growth then it has today. Why would I go work extra to pay for something that I've already paid for? What sense would that make?

And where do you see me whining about the 360? I'm just trying to enlighten some of these people who feed into media and popular view to be a lil more objective in their views and take the time to analyze a situation for theirself. Microsoft has released just as many consoles as they intended to so just because one company supposedly can't get their hands on something at the time, doesn't mean Microsoft is the one to blame.

The supply is out there and continually coming out. I can't say you're going to get your hands on 200 and I don't go against your efforts in doing so. I'm just saying that 360s are available on the market in general so its not like they're at some big deficit of supply. If you want proof, go look on ebay. Even though the core packages and premium packages are still above MSRP, they're priced lower than they first started out pricing on ebay? Why? Demand has gone down for the price it was being offered at before... Why? Only way demand can go down is for supply to go up. ) (Not including/considerng any intervening third parties so don't gimme no bs). o

Airkat

21-01-2006 08:32:54

As an aside.. My local bestbuy had a table of them sitting there when I went in for something. No one touchin em

FreeOffersNow

21-01-2006 08:52:43

[quote4838bfd2d8="kristylez"]Someone please tell me how it would be an intelligent decision to work and pay for a certain item (to freepay for example) only to wait a few months and then work and pay for it again to another company? If you were going to make logical points, stick to making them. Assuming someone doesn't have a job or pretending to know someone's financial situation in this case is... since you're a moderator... uncalled for.

I am in college and have a job. I am very satisfied with my academics and financial situation.[/quote4838bfd2d8]

As a college student, you seem to be dishearteningly uninformed. What is your major? Please tell me its not economics. The point I was trying to make is that rather that spending hours and hours on the internet whining about when your "heavily discounted" (since you are all so adamantly against calling these FREE), get a job and buy one. I have a question, though. When you tell your friends about your gifts...do you tell them you got it free, or that you got them at a discount? You tell them you got the gifts free.

Now, since you mentioned making logical points...you should have realized that because "360s are available on the market in general," you could just go buy one, then sell your FreePay 360 for a hefty profit. I mean...you're all saying these things are all over the place...show me. And don't link me to eBay, because the fact is, the prices are above MSRP on eBay because its the only place these systems are available. Why? Because right now its a seller's market. Supply is low, and resellers are aware of when shipments are coming to their local stores, thus they beat the general public to the B&M location, buy their entire supply, and resell it on eBay for a profit. Couple this with the fact that eBay is simply a more convenient avenue for many people, and voila.

[quote4838bfd2d8]And if you think paying for an item 4 months ago is the same as paying for an item today then you're wrong. That money 4 months ago had much more potential for its own growth then it has today. Why would I go work extra to pay for something that I've already paid for? What sense would that make?[/quote4838bfd2d8]

I'm glad you understand the concept of current and future cash flow...however...applying Economics 101 concepts to not-so-simple real-world market conditions will not always behoove you. I'll address this further later on )

[quote4838bfd2d8]And where do you see me whining about the 360? I'm just trying to enlighten some of these people who feed into media and popular view to be a lil more objective in their views and take the time to analyze a situation for theirself. Microsoft has released just as many consoles as they intended to so just because one company supposedly can't get their hands on something at the time, doesn't mean Microsoft is the one to blame. [/quote4838bfd2d8]


Please re-read my initial post. (Hint The paragraph starts with "Further, regardless of what you may think")


[quote4838bfd2d8]The supply is out there and continually coming out. I can't say you're going to get your hands on 200 and I don't go against your efforts in doing so. I'm just saying that 360s are available on the market in general so its not like they're at some big deficit of supply. If you want proof, go look on ebay. Even though the core packages and premium packages are still above MSRP, they're priced lower than they first started out pricing on ebay? Why? Demand has gone down for the price it was being offered at before... Why? Only way demand can go down is for supply to go up. ) (Not including/considerng any intervening third parties so don't gimme no bs). o[/quote4838bfd2d8]

As I said before, applying Economics 101 concepts to not-so-simple real-world market conditions will not always behoove you. Outside your freshman classroom...your simple supply and demand curve doesn't explain much. Reason being, it doesn't address things like market saturation. Do you want to know the REAL reason 360's are priced lower than when they first started selling on eBay? The is a bit more complicated than this, but the simple answer is the market is now much more saturated than it was previously. Further, the majority of Americans celebrate Christmas, yes? How many systems do you think were purchased as Christmas gifts? Isn't it true that parents are going to pay a premium for a Christmas gift for their children? Remember Tickle-me-Elmo? I do. Thanks for trying, better luck next time.

good2speed

21-01-2006 08:57:55

[quote3b49cdb119="kristylez"]
I am in [b3b49cdb119]college[/b3b49cdb119] and have a job. I am very satisfied with my academics and financial situation.

And if you think paying for an item 4 months ago is the same as paying for an item today then you're wrong. That money 4 months ago had much more potential for its own growth then it has today. Why would I go work extra to pay for something that I've already paid for? What sense would that make?
[/quote3b49cdb119]

Oh your in college. Ah I see all this complaining is due to you not having an Xbox at its release date. Ah ok. Somehow you will not feel as cool b/c you dont have a 360 yet and will have to wait while students at your college are all enjoying their brand new shiny 360's. Who gives a f Wait. What you dont have friends who have 360. Have you no patience what so ever. Do you not wait at the Dentist or Doctor's office, considering you will be paying much more of your oh so special "[b3b49cdb119]time"[/b3b49cdb119] and money than you would getting a $400 item for less than $40. Thats 1/10 of the price and your complaining about that. If a friend said he was giving you a [b3b49cdb119]"free" or heavily discounted[/b3b49cdb119] couch or a TV as soon as he moves out of his apt and into a new house are you going to be the person to pressure your friend daily for that item. I mean according to your analysis you've already devoted your time in talking to your friend, which youve assured us equates into a money spent, and him giving you an approval. Would you take him to small claims court to settle your disput if there was a complication in closing the deal for the new house?

In fact I felt real bad not getting a 360 when it first came out but I expected that and the anger and frustration grew worse as we got into mid Jan. But I thank you. After reading through your pathetic reasoning on why we should have the practically free porduct, I've come to the conclusion that Im not a ragin college freak who needs instant gratification. In fact I'm a patient man who has plenty of more enjoyable things to with my time.

Now if you really feel violated by freepay. You should take action on it and not bitch on an online forum. You should devote time into wiping freepay off the map. Do I think you stand a chance. Well in a nutshell Hell NO. But it would be well the worth since every member on this forum willl have something to laugh about for the rest of eternity.

thehacker010

21-01-2006 10:45:28

The only thing that upsets me is that THREE Best Buys had Xbox360s in a few days ago. I don't understand how other stores, like EBGames/Gamestop, are still trying to fill their pre-orders yet Best Buy is getting Xbox360s more often. I blame Micro$oft more than anyone for this problem....

Wolfeman

21-01-2006 11:21:36

Microsoft is at about half the production they claimed they'd be at when it was released. How are they not to blame for the shortages? BestBuy gets them first because they have an agreement with MS.

h3x

21-01-2006 14:26:49

I quit Best Buy recently due to my moving situation in Alaska.. So, I'll spill all the beans..

While I was working there, the manager of the store and an LP leader made plans to give employees the xbox360 about 2 hours before the store opened on the [bed8e6c250d]21st[/bed8e6c250d], and we had new shipments in every week reserved only for employees/returns, and the practice still goes on today.. Employees are getting XBOX 360s and there are none for the customers.. This is also the very store that Bill Gates showed up at during midnight launch.. I'll say this much about Best Buy... they are a bunch of sneaky people and other employees yell at the customers for not getting a Perfomance Service Plan/Product Replacement Plan.. (no bullshit.. an 80 year old man refused to leave the store because an employee refused to let him talk to an employee).. they called the cops and filled an order of trespassing against the man).

So from experience, I can verify Best Buy's crookedness.

MyungChunHa

21-01-2006 17:42:42

[quotee7fb2d733a="h3x"]I quit Best Buy recently due to my moving situation in Alaska.. So, I'll spill all the beans..

While I was working there, the manager of the store and an LP leader made plans to give employees the xbox360 about 2 hours before the store opened on the [be7fb2d733a]21st[/be7fb2d733a], and we had new shipments in every week reserved only for employees/returns, and the practice still goes on today.. Employees are getting XBOX 360s and there are none for the customers.. This is also the very store that Bill Gates showed up at during midnight launch.. I'll say this much about Best Buy... they are a bunch of sneaky people and other employees yell at the customers for not getting a Perfomance Service Plan/Product Replacement Plan.. (no bullshit.. an 80 year old man refused to leave the store because an employee refused to let him talk to an employee).. they called the cops and filled an order of trespassing against the man).

So from experience, I can verify Best Buy's crookedness.[/quotee7fb2d733a]
thats crap....i always thought that it would be the other way around.....

crazyates

21-01-2006 18:30:37

hold up...i'm confused...is this thread here to talk about how horrible of a job freepay, Microsoft, or Best Buy is doing, or all of the above? j/k...but there is a lot of it going around. cuz so far i'm not seeing anything constructive that will 1) get anybody's 360s shipped faster (although this point has been mentioned many time) and 2) make anybody convince anybody else to be patient and wait, cuz if it had worked there would be no more thread by now.... ?

kristylez

21-01-2006 18:46:28

[quote179f86ce93]Oh your in college. Ah I see all this complaining is due to you not having an Xbox at its release date. Ah ok. Somehow you will not feel as cool b/c you dont have a 360 yet and will have to wait while students at your college are all enjoying their brand new shiny 360's. Who gives a f Wait. What you dont have friends who have 360. Have you no patience what so ever.[/quote179f86ce93]

What's really ignorant is that you take my few posts and interpret it as being impatient with this process. I am not impatient at all, you have not seen one post with me asking the status or pushing for giftcards or anything of that nature. Then you take the fact that I'm in college and go off on some stereotype that I'm eager (since I'm in college) and have friends that have a box as if that even matters to begin with. These assumptions are subjective, useless, and pointless.

And then you go on to put up an analogy which I have to assume you were talking about all freepay's customers and not just me (since you don't know little or nothing of how I establish my referrals) and saying that everyone is paying 1/10. And as for your analogy on this hypothetical friend, I guess him/her and freepay's word hold the same amount of weight. And no I wouldn't take this friend to court because 1. I wouldn't take freepay or a friend to court and 2. I haven't paid this friend for a product he hasn't sold me. LOL what sense would that make. Go figure. If you're saying that "pressuring him daily" would equate to the money that freepay makes off my referrals then... I guess we'd have to have some type of agreement stating that my begging him daily is worth this item but that just doesn't make much sense does it?

kristylez

21-01-2006 19:24:16

ok when I said "go take an introductory economics course or sumthin" it was a joke as in like, do you have to be a rocket scientist to really understand this situation but I guess my sarcasm was pretty weak I admit.

But you seem to gloat on your superior knowledge of how business runs. Who's spending hours and hours on the internet? It took me a little time to type that post. Hrmm maybe if I took that entire hour that it took to make that post and got a job that paid $400 an hour your post would make some sense but besides that you're not being too rational.

You keep saying it is logical to buy one now and sell my freepay gift later. Well maybe it is logical but i would LOSE money if I did that and even you should understand that. But I'm not just going to shun you, I'm going to explain my point, I'm not going to just discredit your perception for no reason whatsoever (like you try to do me). If I were to buy one now at the market price (equivalent product that freepay is going to send), let's ASSUME for $450, and then get my freepay gift at some later date and let's say at that time I even get lucky and am able to sell it for the SAME price! (which I doubt because as you can see they're going down. Since this is not a rare item I wouldn't expect the mutha fucka to go up, would you?) I still LOSE money because money now is worth more than money later and for you to deny that with good logic would (or is going to) amaze me.

You stated that market saturation was the reason for the raising/lowering of prices. Market saturation deals with the law of diminishing returns and you can look at it that way, that since the holiday season is gone, some sellers are not returning as much revenue as opposed to cost but your perception is no more, if anything, less tangible than mine. First, you didn't specify what was becoming more saturated, the product which was driving price down or the opportunity (amount of sellers) which is driving price down. I don't know if you were assuming that I was saying prices are going down "since Christmas" and felt that it was necessary to analyze the price of the product based on the price it was at that time but I was speaking of the price since its release.

Anyhow, even though the market may be becoming more/less saturated because of christmas, it hasn't reached its saturation point at all and even though you or I don't have the statistics to say it has reached a point of saturation I'm sure you will agree it hasn't. That being the case, I think it'd be a bit more tangible to the audience and to the situation to look at this from a simpler supply and demand point of view than you beginning to analyze the market's relative profits. So I guess, "applying Economics 101 concepts to not-so-simple real-world market conditions will not always behoove you". Remember when Big Bird was Sesame Street's finest? I don't. Better luck next time.

Crynos

21-01-2006 19:31:04

[quotefd4a09710c="crazyates"]hold up...i'm confused...is this thread here to talk about how horrible of a job freepay, Microsoft, or Best Buy is doing, or all of the above? j/k...but there is a lot of it going around. cuz so far i'm not seeing anything constructive that will 1) get anybody's 360s shipped faster (although this point has been mentioned many time) and 2) make anybody convince anybody else to be patient and wait, cuz if it had worked there would be no more thread by now.... ?[/quotefd4a09710c]Its been suggested multiple times they could send checks (i dont even care about tax) because they told us our XB360's would be shipped in November.

kristylez

21-01-2006 19:33:45

[quoteb44e1aa582]Microsoft is at about half the production they claimed they'd be at when it was released. How are they not to blame for the shortages? BestBuy gets them first because they have an agreement with MS.
[/quoteb44e1aa582]

I have heard this plenty of times but I've yet to find the statement saying the numbers that Microsoft said they'd be at and the numbers they're at. Please, when you find a credible source (such as Microsoft and very few others) throw me a link. Not to say you're wrong or anything I just have heard it a lot and haven't read any article from Microsoft on it.

kristylez

21-01-2006 19:49:36

[quotead419b0053]In fact I felt real bad not getting a 360 when it first came out but I expected that and the anger and frustration grew worse as we got into mid Jan. But I thank you. After reading through your pathetic reasoning on why we should have the practically free porduct, I've come to the conclusion that Im not a ragin college freak who needs instant gratification. In fact I'm a patient man who has plenty of more enjoyable things to with my time.

Now if you really feel violated by freepay. You should take action on it and not bitch on an online forum. You should devote time into wiping freepay off the map. Do I think you stand a chance. Well in a nutshell Hell NO. But it would be well the worth since every member on this forum willl have something to laugh about for the rest of eternity.[/quotead419b0053]

What pathetic reasoning have I gave on why you should have it? Your comprehension is poor because unlike you, I had no problem not receiving it when it first came out and I have no problem waiting on it longer. I never said I was anxious to have received this item in any posts so I don't know where you're getting this impression. I've only stated that Microsoft is not to blame for freepay's shortcomings and that the product is not free to anyone. Microsoft gets paid, Freepay gets a nice cut from each of us, and we get our $400 prize. It's not free and by me saying that im not saying omg i must have it now or imma die.

Where do you see me feeling violated by freepay? I support freepay in their efforts but its not reputable to make excuses and point the finger at Microsoft. I wish freepay the best of luck in obtaining these quantities. Excuses are worthless to me, I'd rather just keep hearing they're doing their best to grab control of the situation, as they've stated, and I'm satisfied.

Iloveipods2

21-01-2006 20:01:53

geez can't we all get along? playful

i want my xbox 360 though, badly, either that or what they did for freehandbags and send a $400 check

lizzy67

21-01-2006 20:36:58

just since you asked wolfy. I did my undergradute at USC and went to law school at UCLA.

you mentioned it would be stupid to spend money on a lawyer for a $1000 claim but again you failed to realize the simple fact that court costs are usually included in the settlement or award. That is to say, in almost all civil actions the losing party pays the winning party's court and attorney fees.

If you would like to further discuss topics in which you are uninformed, I will glady school you on the basics.

FreeOffersNow

21-01-2006 21:09:00

[quote8e6a5d0590="lizzy67"]just since you asked wolfy. I did my undergradute at USC and went to law school at UCLA.

you mentioned it would be stupid to spend money on a lawyer for a $1000 claim but again you failed to realize the simple fact that court costs are usually included in the settlement or award. That is to say, in almost all civil actions the losing party pays the winning party's court and attorney fees.

If you would like to further discuss topics in which you are uninformed, I will glady school you on the basics.[/quote8e6a5d0590]

liSniff Sniffli - What the FUCK is that smell? It smells like shit...

Nevertheless, congratulations; you've posted 4 times in this discussion, and you still haven't said anything. Oh, and I'm glad that even after (supposedly) making it through law school, you feel the need to sit at your desk and argue with a bunch of people you don't know. Don't hurt yourself.

JUNIOR6886

21-01-2006 22:31:38

lol BURN!!! anywhoo given freepay track record im suprised any of you actually believed freepay would send the 360's at a resonable timeframe. Dont you guys remember what happened with the PSPS?

Wolfeman

21-01-2006 23:04:00

[quote43854798aa="lizzy67"]just since you asked wolfy. I did my undergradute at USC and went to law school at UCLA.

you mentioned it would be stupid to spend money on a lawyer for a $1000 claim but again you failed to realize the simple fact that court costs are usually included in the settlement or award. That is to say, in almost all civil actions the losing party pays the winning party's court and attorney fees.

If you would like to further discuss topics in which you are uninformed, I will glady school you on the basics.[/quote43854798aa]

I know you are lying because no one that went to USC would go to UCLA. How's your 360? I heard the more you complain, the faster you get it...

Drummer16161616

22-01-2006 00:30:03

[quoteaa9e52b814="Wolfeman"]I know you are lying because no one that went to USC would go to UCLA.[/quoteaa9e52b814]

LOL werd

awake33

22-01-2006 01:41:17

[quoted8ff1bb1c6]Nevertheless, congratulations; you've posted 4 times in this discussion, and you still haven't said anything. Oh, and I'm glad that even after (supposedly) making it through law school, you feel the need to sit at your desk and argue with a bunch of people you don't know. Don't hurt yourself.[/quoted8ff1bb1c6]

LOL What an ass !

You are here arguing too. "The pot calling the kettle black" is a phrase born from the actions of people like yourself. You insinuated that this person is lying JUST because you disagree. How moderator-like of you. lol

So you disagree with what this person is saying. That hardly means they have said 'nothing' lmao. Besides, anyone who knows even the basics of law knows that court costs are included in settlements.

From experience it seems that many of you 'moderators' are not really very good at moderating. You jump right into the fray with your own razor-wit insults. That is hardly doing your job. Besides, if you have the time to post thousands of times....well I guess that pretty much somes up your life.

So, run and get out your godly moderator boomstick and ban for calling you an ass and implying that you have no life lol

Wolfeman

22-01-2006 01:42:55

Your 33 bitching about not getting a free 360. Thats not sad at all...

FreeOffersNow

22-01-2006 08:27:55

[quoteac32b8f1fb="awake33"]LOL What an ass !

You are here arguing too. "The pot calling the kettle black" is a phrase born from the actions of people like yourself. You insinuated that this person is lying JUST because you disagree. How moderator-like of you. lol

So you disagree with what this person is saying. That hardly means they have said 'nothing' lmao. Besides, anyone who knows even the basics of law knows that court costs are included in settlements.[/quoteac32b8f1fb]

I'm a junior in college with 2 online businesses, a girlfriend of 3 years, and 4 semesters straight on the dean's list (GPA of > 3.5)...if because posting 5190 times since December 04, 2004 at 12.54 times per day means I have no life, then so be it. But the difference is...I've accumulated nearly $20,000 in free gifts.

[quoteac32b8f1fb]From experience it seems that many of you 'moderators' are not really very good at moderating. You jump right into the fray with your own razor-wit insults. That is hardly doing your job. Besides, if you have the time to post thousands of times....well I guess that pretty much somes up your life.[/quoteac32b8f1fb]

Yep...we suck at moderating. Look at these forums, everyone is running rampant, posting referral links everywhere!!! We have nothing to do with making the best referral trading environment on the net, either...so next time you trade...just think about how bad we suck at moderating when everything goes smoothly. By the way, I think you were looking for "sums" up your life.

[quoteac32b8f1fb]So, run and get out your godly moderator boomstick and ban for calling you an ass and implying that you have no life lol[/quoteac32b8f1fb]

I actually have a (DYE) boomstick...its a paintball gun barrel...but at least I have one. I'd be happy to shoot you with it, but I don't think you've earned a ban just yet.


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Get back on topic or this thread will be locked.[/sizeac32b8f1fb][/colorac32b8f1fb]

lizzy67

22-01-2006 08:50:59

[quote4ec2f6b421="FreeOffersNow"]

liSniff Sniffli - What the FUCK is that smell? It smells like shit...

Nevertheless, congratulations; you've posted 4 times in this discussion, and you still haven't said anything. Oh, and I'm glad that even after (supposedly) making it through law school, you feel the need to sit at your desk and argue with a bunch of people you don't know. Don't hurt yourself.[/quote4ec2f6b421]

well like you said I've only posted a few times compared to your thousands so maybe i'm not the one sitting at my desk arguing with people online all day. I was simply trying to add a little insight to a conversation that was going on because wolfy was giving some bad information and acting like an ass without actually having his facts straight.


As for a trojan not going to UCLA. You would if you wanted to get into Intellectual Property law since UCLA Law has one of the top programs in the country.

But you're right I probably should have gone to a worse law school based solely on a stupid sorts rivalry that I don't care about.

Iloveipods2

22-01-2006 09:12:32

[quote59176996bd="Wolfeman"]Your 33 bitching about not getting a free 360. Thats not sad at all...[/quote59176996bd]

you're 24, and you still use "your" instead of "you're" wink just being playful

h3x

22-01-2006 09:27:14

I'm tired of waiting.. I'm just going to buy an XBOX 360 when I move up to Alaska... They have a huge Wal-Mart where I'm moving to and the population is only 13,466.. I'm bound to get an XBOX 360 when I get there twisted

... and when Jake (FreePay) sends my XBOX 360.. I'll just keep it as a 2nd unit )

J4320

22-01-2006 09:53:19

[quote80fb61594c="h3x"]I'm tired of waiting.. I'm just going to buy an XBOX 360 when I move up to Alaska... They have a huge Wal-Mart where I'm moving to and the population is only 13,466.. I'm bound to get an XBOX 360 when I get there twisted

... and when Jake (FreePay) sends my XBOX 360.. I'll just keep it as a 2nd unit )[/quote80fb61594c]

Why would you need two?

kposse77

22-01-2006 10:36:18

[quote7429ea36a3="J4320"][quote7429ea36a3="h3x"]I'm tired of waiting.. I'm just going to buy an XBOX 360 when I move up to Alaska... They have a huge Wal-Mart where I'm moving to and the population is only 13,466.. I'm bound to get an XBOX 360 when I get there twisted

... and when Jake (FreePay) sends my XBOX 360.. I'll just keep it as a 2nd unit )[/quote7429ea36a3]

Why would you need two?[/quote7429ea36a3]

It's the Alaskan version of xbox live ;)

kevxross

22-01-2006 11:26:21

[quote8826141ab3="h3x"]I'm tired of waiting.. I'm just going to buy an XBOX 360 when I move up to Alaska... They have a huge Wal-Mart where I'm moving to and the population is only 13,466.. I'm bound to get an XBOX 360 when I get there twisted

... and when Jake (FreePay) sends my XBOX 360.. I'll just keep it as a 2nd unit )[/quote8826141ab3]

I thought you said BestBuy was giving their employees first dibs? You can't tell me you didn't buy a few to sell for insane profit on eBay and keep at least one!

And all you people bickering in this thread ([b8826141ab3]all[/b8826141ab3] of you), you're succeeding at making yourselves look like jackasses and nothing more. Good job.

h3x

22-01-2006 11:55:09

of course we held units for customers.. but the number in comparison to employee 'reserves' was a longshot.. roughly 15 core/25 prem on the morning opening on the 22nd (we had 200+ in the back for employees/returns).. then about 34 core/prem on the 1st of Dec. (roughly 150-160) then about 31 core/prem on the 15th (roughly 50-some units)..

as to why i want 2 xbox360's.. im going to use that for modding, and the other for live.

k+ to kposse for the chuckle lol

Cow-Tipper

22-01-2006 11:58:51

[quotec7dcecb3d8="h3x"]of course we held units for customers.. but the number in comparison to employee 'reserves' was a longshot.. roughly 15 core/25 prem on the morning opening on the 22nd (we had 200+ in the back for employees/returns).. then about 34 core/prem on the 1st of Dec. (roughly 150-160) then about 31 core/prem on the 15th (roughly 50-some units)..

as to why i want 2 xbox360's.. im going to use that for modding, and the other for live.

k+ to kposse for the chuckle lol[/quotec7dcecb3d8]

wait, so best buy had about 200 sitting in the back, and only 30 for actual sale, thats a complete joke, makes me want to go and blow up a best buy

h3x

22-01-2006 12:04:43

If you want to take action, I'd be more than happy to give you the store number, location, names of the people behind it and dates/times/actions..

I'm moving up to Alaska.. i don't care what happens to them twisted

Try going to google, type in Worst Buy and click I'm Feeling Lucky.

MyungChunHa

22-01-2006 12:39:16

[quoteb23c9603cd="h3x"]I'm tired of waiting.. I'm just going to buy an XBOX 360 when I move up to Alaska... They have a huge Wal-Mart where I'm moving to and the population is only 13,466.. I'm bound to get an XBOX 360 when I get there twisted

... and when Jake (FreePay) sends my XBOX 360.. I'll just keep it as a 2nd unit )[/quoteb23c9603cd]
thats what im trying to do.....i already got a 360 but imma try to sell the one i get for free on ebay or something, get my money back plus a little bit more and a 360 wink ....

igneous

22-01-2006 13:51:07

[quote13fc28ca63="h3x"]If you want to take action, I'd be more than happy to give you the store number, location, names of the people behind it and dates/times/actions..

I'm moving up to Alaska.. i don't care what happens to them twisted

Try going to google, type in Worst Buy and click I'm Feeling Lucky.[/quote13fc28ca63]
How come your moving to alaska? Job? I was loooking into working for an oil company up there, but its hard to get a job when you don't actually live there.

kevxross

22-01-2006 14:42:48

[quote23eaf30bee="h3x"]of course we held units for customers.. but the number in comparison to employee 'reserves' was a longshot.. roughly 15 core/25 prem on the morning opening on the 22nd (we had 200+ in the back for employees/returns).. then about 34 core/prem on the 1st of Dec. (roughly 150-160) then about 31 core/prem on the 15th (roughly 50-some units)..

as to why i want 2 xbox360's.. im going to use that for modding, and the other for live.

k+ to kposse for the chuckle lol[/quote23eaf30bee]

You didn't answer my question though... of all those held for employees, you didn't get in on any of them?

On a related note, I just got back from Worst Buy 5 minutes ago with a premium 360 in hand. Oh, would you look at that, it's found its way to ebay[=http//cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8254020489&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1]it's found its way to ebay.

kristylez

22-01-2006 14:58:58

[quotedfa54d8a83]On a related note, I just got back from Worst Buy 5 minutes ago with a premium 360 in hand. Oh, would you look at that, it's found its way to ebay.[/quotedfa54d8a83]

lol kevxross, i like how you put that.

Fugger

22-01-2006 16:15:32

So are we done with this?

Has anyone come within a single mile of actually proving a single point to anyone other than themself?

Cow-Tipper

22-01-2006 16:26:38

i can prove that monkeys cant fly, other than that, no, no proofs in this post

TimTheSloth

22-01-2006 16:30:48

I think they should wait a few more months to send them to teach us all a lesson about arguing.

J4320

22-01-2006 16:37:15

[quote817a6aa02b="TimTheSloth"]I think they should wait a few more months to send them to teach us all a lesson about arguing.[/quote817a6aa02b]

Hmmm... Well you can go ahead and do that and let us know how fun it was for you.

;)

justicefries

22-01-2006 16:38:28

[quotef29f0525ee="Fugger"]So are we done with this?

Has anyone come within a single mile of actually proving a single point to anyone other than themself?[/quotef29f0525ee]

Well hey, this is discussion and debate, as long as people are civil why not let it go for as long as it wants to go? It's what a messageboard is meant for in part. The thread shouldn't be locked just because people aren't proving their points - they're just debating.

crazyates

22-01-2006 17:40:49

[quote05ba5518af="kevxross"][quote05ba5518af="h3x"]of course we held units for customers.. but the number in comparison to employee 'reserves' was a longshot.. roughly 15 core/25 prem on the morning opening on the 22nd (we had 200+ in the back for employees/returns).. then about 34 core/prem on the 1st of Dec. (roughly 150-160) then about 31 core/prem on the 15th (roughly 50-some units)..

as to why i want 2 xbox360's.. im going to use that for modding, and the other for live.

k+ to kposse for the chuckle lol[/quote05ba5518af]

You didn't answer my question though... of all those held for employees, you didn't get in on any of them?

On a related note, I just got back from Worst Buy 5 minutes ago with a premium 360 in hand. Oh, would you look at that, it's found its way to ebay[=http//cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8254020489&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1]it's found its way to ebay.[/quote05ba5518af]

quick question...if you're selling an xbox360 on ebay for $600...why would you include a pic of the receipt showing that you only bought it for $419.99????? if people could get it for that much at any best buy...why would they buy it from you for almost $200 more?

KeithA

22-01-2006 17:43:57

[quote7b12c7de82="crazyates"]quick question...if you're selling an xbox360 on ebay for $600...why would you include a pic of the receipt showing that you only bought it for $419.99????? if people could get it for that much at any best buy...why would they buy it from you for almost $200 more?[/quote7b12c7de82]

They wouldn't. But apparently, in some regions, they're still tough to come by.

Plus, auctions are notorious for causing people to behave irrationally.

Still might not hurt to obscure the price paid though...

kevxross

22-01-2006 17:50:53

People know how much an Xbox 360 costs.. They're still willing to pay close to that price for just a Premium 360 though, so I'm hoping someone will bite at that price for the "free" controller and time sensitivity of the Best Buy warranty plan ;)

jetblack85

22-01-2006 18:29:31

I will be glad once my Xbox360 ships, so I can finally stop reading this thread every 5 minutes.

As far as availability in southern VA, the 360 is still hard to come by. For those of you who are finding them, may I ask what area of the country you are from?

kevxross

22-01-2006 18:40:09

[quote5a6cdb7ba0="jetblack85"]I will be glad once my Xbox360 ships, so I can finally stop reading this thread every 5 minutes.

As far as availability in southern VA, the 360 is still hard to come by. For those of you who are finding them, may I ask what area of the country you are from?[/quote5a6cdb7ba0]

Make sure you ASK! They aren't put out on shelves and there aren't like flashing signs saying "WE HAVE XBOX 360s IN STOCK!" If I hadn't asked a Best Buy employee if they had any, I would've had no idea they did.

jetblack85

22-01-2006 18:44:57

Did they pull one from the back for you? I may have to take a trip to some stores this upcoming week to ask in person.

kevxross

22-01-2006 18:46:11

[quote03d1a18444="jetblack85"]Did they pull one from the back for you? I may have to take a trip to some stores this upcoming week to ask in person.[/quote03d1a18444]

Yep, they keep em in the back. That's probably true for the other stores too, not just Best Buy (But BB is definately your best shot at one).

MyungChunHa

22-01-2006 18:55:17

[quote71ca0f211b="kevxross"][quote71ca0f211b="jetblack85"]Did they pull one from the back for you? I may have to take a trip to some stores this upcoming week to ask in person.[/quote71ca0f211b]

Yep, they keep em in the back. That's probably true for the other stores too, not just Best Buy (But BB is definately your best shot at one).[/quote71ca0f211b]
yea when i went to wal-mart i had to ask this lady if they had one who asked another lady who went into the back for like 15min and came back with one....she was also wearing latex gloves when she was carrying it for some reason ? ....like its this top secret thing thats worth millions....o well...im extremely happy with mine....too bad my brothers one got stolen strait out of his room evil ....

jetblack85

22-01-2006 19:16:27

What days of the week did you go in? I am pretty sure the Best Buy near me gets most shipments on Mondays and items on those trucks hit the floor by Tuesday morning.

JerriBlank

22-01-2006 20:31:53

I don't understand how people can gripe at Freepay when EB Games and Gamestop haven't even filled all the preorders they received last fall. I'm sure Best Buy, Circuit City, EB and Gamestop are a little higher on the retail food chain than Freepay, and none of them can get more than a few at a time or keep them in stock.

In my case, I knew Freepay would have trouble fulfilling orders, so I decided to grab one from Best Buy when I happened to go by there early one morning just before Christmas. They had 14 to sell - 14. When I get mine from Freepay, I'll sell it, probably to one of my gaming buddies who still can't get one.

As for whether you can pay less than retail, there's a website called Prestomart that was selling them in bulk for about $100-$150 below retail, but they stopped taking orders back in November, and I have no way to know whether they were able to fill the orders they got.



jb

Crynos

22-01-2006 20:34:35

[quoted97ff09905="JerriBlank"]I don't understand how people can gripe at Freepay when EB Games and Gamestop haven't even filled all the preorders they received last fall. I'm sure Best Buy, Circuit City, EB and Gamestop are a little higher on the retail food chain than Freepay, and none of them can get more than a few at a time or keep them in stock.

In my case, I knew Freepay would have trouble fulfilling orders, so I decided to grab one from Best Buy when I happened to go by there early one morning just before Christmas. They had 14 to sell - 14. When I get mine from Freepay, I'll sell it, probably to one of my gaming buddies who still can't get one.

As for whether you can pay less than retail, there's a website called Prestomart that was selling them in bulk for about $100-$150 below retail, but they stopped taking orders back in November, and I have no way to know whether they were able to fill the orders they got.



jb[/quoted97ff09905]No way in hell that site was legit

austin01

22-01-2006 22:08:09

[quote3eb577f26b="kevxross"][quote3eb577f26b="h3x"]of course we held units for customers.. but the number in comparison to employee 'reserves' was a longshot.. roughly 15 core/25 prem on the morning opening on the 22nd (we had 200+ in the back for employees/returns).. then about 34 core/prem on the 1st of Dec. (roughly 150-160) then about 31 core/prem on the 15th (roughly 50-some units)..

as to why i want 2 xbox360's.. im going to use that for modding, and the other for live.

k+ to kposse for the chuckle lol[/quote3eb577f26b]

You didn't answer my question though... of all those held for employees, you didn't get in on any of them?

On a related note, I just got back from Worst Buy 5 minutes ago with a premium 360 in hand. Oh, would you look at that, it's found its way to ebay[=http//cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8254020489&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1]it's found its way to ebay.[/quote3eb577f26b]

After all of ebays listing fees, seller fees, paypal fees, time it takes to create a listing(yours is awesome by the way), packaging and shipping just doesn't seem like its worth it to me, just to make a few bucks.

TimTheSloth

23-01-2006 00:42:56

[quote9780f8010a="JerriBlank"]I don't understand how people can gripe at Freepay when EB Games and Gamestop haven't even filled all the preorders they received last fall. [/quote9780f8010a]

I bet they've sent out at least one each.

Fugger

23-01-2006 04:41:11

Do we know for sure whether or not freepay has sent out a single 360? Is everyone assuming that they were the first account approved?

Gigante

23-01-2006 06:48:49

Why doesn't freepay just buy stolen Half.com giftcard codes from DLF's cousin like everybody else and buy Xboxs? lol

FreeOffersNow

23-01-2006 07:25:50

[quote5a9efd93b0="Fugger"]Do we know for sure whether or not freepay has sent out a single 360? Is everyone assuming that they were the first account approved?[/quote5a9efd93b0]


FreePay has not sent any 360's out, and they have already stated that they will be attempting to ship out around 200 in the first shipment. Like I said before...I was one of the first )

J4320

23-01-2006 07:36:04

How many approved accounts do you think they have?

good2speed

23-01-2006 08:37:07

[quotecb8e52d133="kristylez"]

But you seem to gloat on your superior knowledge of how business runs. Who's spending hours and hours on the internet? It took me a little time to type that post. Hrmm maybe if I took that entire hour that it took to make that post and got a job that paid $400 an hour your post would make some sense but besides that you're not being too rational.

You keep saying it is logical to buy one now and sell my freepay gift later. Well maybe it is logical but i would LOSE money if I did that and even you should understand that. But I'm not just going to shun you, I'm going to explain my point, I'm not going to just discredit your perception for no reason whatsoever (like you try to do me). If I were to buy one now at the market price (equivalent product that freepay is going to send), let's ASSUME for $450, and then get my freepay gift at some later date and let's say at that time I even get lucky and am able to sell it for the SAME price! (which I doubt because as you can see they're going down. Since this is not a rare item I wouldn't expect the mutha fucka to go up, would you?) [bcb8e52d133]I still LOSE money because money now is worth more than money later and for you to deny that with good logic would (or is going to) amaze me.[/bcb8e52d133]

You stated that market saturation was the reason for the raising/lowering of prices. Market saturation deals with the law of diminishing returns and you can look at it that way, that since the holiday season is gone, some sellers are not returning as much revenue as opposed to cost but your perception is no more, if anything, less tangible than mine. First, you didn't specify what was becoming more saturated, the product which was driving price down or the opportunity (amount of sellers) which is driving price down. I don't know if you were assuming that I was saying prices are going down "since Christmas" and felt that it was necessary to analyze the price of the product based on the price it was at that time but I was speaking of the price since its release.

Anyhow, even though the market may be becoming more/less saturated because of christmas, it hasn't reached its saturation point at all and even though you or I don't have the statistics to say it has reached a point of saturation I'm sure you will agree it hasn't. That being the case, I think it'd be a bit more tangible to the audience and to the situation to look at this from a simpler supply and demand point of view than you beginning to analyze the market's relative profits. So I guess, "applying Economics 101 concepts to not-so-simple real-world market conditions will not always behoove you". Remember when Big Bird was Sesame Street's finest? I don't. Better luck next time.[/quotecb8e52d133]

what are you still bitching about. Do you really feel violated. I mean we are only talking about $400 here. How much interest can you gain in 4 months on $400. Not too much . Go to a bank and try it out.

Well anywas this guy is really pathetic. I wouldve continued to bash you on your other posts college boy but your not even worth my time. The funniest thing about this whole thread is that you seem quasi-intelligent and if you actually used your knowledge of the business world on practical matters it would be of great benefit. Go study stocks, bonds, real life market analysis and stop worrying about whether an incentive based site will truly live up to their [bcb8e52d133]"promises."[/bcb8e52d133] Seriously Id be more pissed if they were my stock broker and were holding onto thousands of dollars of my money. Why the hell would I care about freepay holding onto the less than $40 of my money? Why? This is such a miniscule financial amount its ridiculous. But yes your right. I should start a campaign, maybe talk to a congressman or something, and demand that freepay release my $40 they are holding and return it to me. Then maybe I can convince him that anyone who makes a promise and fails to comply wi8ll recieve an automatic jail sentence. Then and only then you may live a happy life.

Rodney

23-01-2006 09:35:13

[quote244dfecc0a]On a related note, I just got back from Worst Buy 5 minutes ago with a premium 360 in hand. Oh, would you look at that, it's found its way to ebay.[/quote244dfecc0a]

Do you know in one part of your auction you say the shipping is $33 and a few paragraphs later you say the shipping is only $29.

[quote244dfecc0a]As soon as the auction closes I will ship this out for the low cost of $33 + $7.20 for insurance up to $600![/quote244dfecc0a]

[quote244dfecc0a]Shipping and handling is a flat rate of only $29.00 to anywhere in the United States and insurance up to $600 is $7.20.[/quote244dfecc0a]

I agree about blurring out the price. Although people know how much the xbox360 costs (although some don't), you don't want to remind them right in their face that you're screwing them over on the price. At least play out the suspenion of disbelief until they see the receipt in their hand )

kevxross

23-01-2006 10:04:44

Thank you for pointing out the shipping! I just updated the auction to clarify (I hate pointless $0.55 bids that ruin revision opportunity. It's also the only reason I have a reserve - it ruins Buy It Now).

And Ok, OK, you guys win. I blurred the prices on the receipt P

And I also agree that it's really not worth it anymore. I just happened to be at Best Buy and asked an employee just out of curiousity. And I already had the listing all put together from all the other 360s I've sold (hence the shipping cost discrepancy P). I figure I'll get at least around $50 profit after all the fees and stuff, out of about 10 mins total work.

punjabGTRR34

23-01-2006 10:16:27

[quote5db2b78c6e="Gigante"]Why doesn't freepay just buy stolen Half.com giftcard codes from DLF's cousin like everybody else and buy Xboxs? lol[/quote5db2b78c6e]

Not to get offtopic, but those giftcard codes were stolen? ? ? ? Or are you just kidding? lol, cause i bought some, and now i don't feel right if those were stolen.

kevxross

23-01-2006 10:25:05

[quote2bce1dfcb5="punjabGTRR34"][quote2bce1dfcb5="Gigante"]Why doesn't freepay just buy stolen Half.com giftcard codes from DLF's cousin like everybody else and buy Xboxs? lol[/quote2bce1dfcb5]

Not to get offtopic, but those giftcard codes were stolen? ? ? ? Or are you just kidding? lol, cause i bought some, and now i don't feel right if those were stolen.[/quote2bce1dfcb5]

I'm pretty sure he was kidding, but if not then I guess it's just all about who you want to believe. Either way, all $6100 of mine worked perfectly, so I'm happy )

punjabGTRR34

23-01-2006 10:27:14

[quote770456a571="kevxross"][quote770456a571="punjabGTRR34"][quote770456a571="Gigante"]Why doesn't freepay just buy stolen Half.com giftcard codes from DLF's cousin like everybody else and buy Xboxs? lol[/quote770456a571]

Not to get offtopic, but those giftcard codes were stolen? ? ? ? Or are you just kidding? lol, cause i bought some, and now i don't feel right if those were stolen.[/quote770456a571]

I'm pretty sure he was kidding, but if not then I guess it's just all about who you want to believe. Either way, all $6100 of mine worked perfectly, so I'm happy )[/quote770456a571]

Oh alright. Yeah mine worked well too. Still have about $40 left. Anyways back to the 360...

Cow-Tipper

23-01-2006 10:47:49

another week of...........anticipating (

J4320

23-01-2006 11:01:12

[quoteea1fd05623="Cow-Tipper"]another week of...........anticipating ([/quoteea1fd05623]

I'll start getting anxious again in the end of February or beginning of March probably. For now, I've learned to be patient. It's not really Freepay's fault.

That'd be cool if they could contact Microsoft directly and get a custom shipment to themselves. I don't see that happening though. (

kristylez

23-01-2006 13:08:15

[quotef5a566c481]what are you still bitching about. Do you really feel violated. I mean we are only talking about $400 here. How much interest can you gain in 4 months on $400. Not too much . Go to a bank and try it out.

Well anywas this guy is really pathetic. I wouldve continued to bash you on your other posts college boy but your not even worth my time. The funniest thing about this whole thread is that you seem quasi-intelligent and if you actually used your knowledge of the business world on practical matters it would be of great benefit. Go study stocks, bonds, real life market analysis and stop worrying about whether an incentive based site will truly live up to their "promises." Seriously Id be more pissed if they were my stock broker and were holding onto thousands of dollars of my money. Why the hell would I care about freepay holding onto the less than $40 of my money? Why? This is such a miniscule financial amount its ridiculous. But yes your right. I should start a campaign, maybe talk to a congressman or something, and demand that freepay release my $40 they are holding and return it to me. Then maybe I can convince him that anyone who makes a promise and fails to comply wi8ll recieve an automatic jail sentence. Then and only then you may live a happy life.[/quotef5a566c481]

I never said I felt violated. If you'd read my post, you'd see I said I have no problem waiting, and am being more patient about the matter than a lot of other ppl. And I think when making your analysis you should consider that I was only making a point out of the situation. But to calculate the point I was making it'd be more accurate for you to calculate maybe something liek $400 x #ofcompletedaccounts and then calculate the time past on those accounts. NOT that its really that serious but don't make the situation smaller than it already is.

Thanks for the compliment on seeming quasi-intelligent... and when learning, in order to gain experience, you must apply knowledge. That is all I did when I brought that small basic pissy taste of economics into the issue and other ppl started to blow it out of context. My statements are simple and are not aggressive but ppl continually make them seem as if I were stating this situation was really serious or if I was putting some kind of extra emphasis on the situation.

And again, blowing it out of proportion with talking to congressmen and even assuming I'm trying to analyze whether freepay will live up to these "promises". Unless people on this message board equate to these positions of power then your reasoning is very poor.

Last but not least, where did you get this shitty $40 value that you keep using throughout your post? I'm guessing its another poor persuasion tactic to make it seem as if I'm blowing things out of proportion by my simple, very simple supply and demand statement. Some of you seem "quasi-intelligent" but you keep using fictional figures to make real points.

kristylez

23-01-2006 13:23:36

[quotec6ce7128ea]I don't understand how people can gripe at Freepay when EB Games and Gamestop haven't even filled all the preorders they received last fall. I'm sure Best Buy, Circuit City, EB and Gamestop are a little higher on the retail food chain than Freepay, and none of them can get more than a few at a time or keep them in stock.
[/quotec6ce7128ea]

I'm sure Gamestop, Best Buy, Circuit City, and EBgames didn't gaurantee these items by false dates either. If you look at EBgames, they state "Due to high demand, orders placed after October 26th may not ship until March 2006." Maybe if... some other companies... would take precautions and not lead their customers on, they'd be very little discussion on this in the first place.

Wolfeman

23-01-2006 14:51:06

Can you show me a public gaurantee by Freepay to have your 360s shipped by now?

kevxross

23-01-2006 15:00:00

[quote6cdfada4d5="punjabGTRR34"]Oh alright. Yeah mine worked well too. Still have about $40 left. Anyways back to the 360...[/quote6cdfada4d5]

No, not back on topic! This thread (just like all the others) is completely useless [b6cdfada4d5]unless[/b6cdfada4d5] it goes off topic.

TimTheSloth

23-01-2006 15:32:05

[quoteabb00686f4="Wolfeman"]Can you show me a public gaurantee by Freepay to have your 360s shipped by now?[/quoteabb00686f4]
[quoteabb00686f4="Crynos"]This is what I have a problem with...
http/" alt=""/img12.imageshack.us/img="12/6844/xbull5ba.jpg[" alt=""/imgabb00686f4][/quoteabb00686f4]
[quoteabb00686f4="FreePay"]Mark an X on your calendar
Posted on September 16, 2005

It's official, Xbox 360 will be hitting stores on November 22nd, less than 2 months from now. Some folks will be saving their dollars for the big day, but with FreePay you don't have to - it's not too late to pre-order yours on our website and get one totally FREE. What's more, you'll get the full Premium Edition with wireless controller, detachable hard drive and headset all part of the package. It's not too late to sign up at FreePay Xbox 360s and be ready for November 22nd! [/quoteabb00686f4]

Wolfeman

23-01-2006 15:33:45

Thats a support ticket written to 1 user.

TimTheSloth

23-01-2006 15:35:29

sorry, not quick enough with the edit.

Wolfeman

23-01-2006 15:37:59

That's fine but that's not a guarantee. Everyone thought there'd be enough to go around and its clear in their TOS what happens when an item is back ordered...

Crynos

23-01-2006 16:00:35

[quote56b5c60a9c="Wolfeman"]That's fine but that's not a guarantee. Everyone thought there'd be enough to go around and its clear in their TOS what happens when an item is back ordered...[/quote56b5c60a9c]Why does it matter if its to one user or public? They told me Id have it.


Also, the situation is the same on the EFG/MSG plasma (its in their terms) yet youre on the other side for that. Whats up with that?

Wolfeman

23-01-2006 16:08:00

It matters because a support person isn't always privy to all the information that the higher ups are. Freepay expected, like tons of other companies, that they'd get their 360s at launch and be able to fulfill orders. They never made a public statement guaranteeing they'd ship by now like I've said in their TOS it has a section that deals with back orders...

Its a totally different situation with YFDirect. If this was the same situation Freepay would be shipping old XBOXs and all the people saying its OK for YFDirect is OK to send monitors, not TVs, would agree. If YFDirect was going to send a TV but it was back ordered, I wouldn't mind waiting...

h3x

23-01-2006 16:14:48

[quote7b83bda199="kevxross"][quote7b83bda199="h3x"]of course we held units for customers.. but the number in comparison to employee 'reserves' was a longshot.. roughly 15 core/25 prem on the morning opening on the 22nd (we had 200+ in the back for employees/returns).. then about 34 core/prem on the 1st of Dec. (roughly 150-160) then about 31 core/prem on the 15th (roughly 50-some units)..

as to why i want 2 xbox360's.. im going to use that for modding, and the other for live.

k+ to kposse for the chuckle lol[/quote7b83bda199]

You didn't answer my question though... of all those held for employees, you didn't get in on any of them?

On a related note, I just got back from Worst Buy 5 minutes ago with a premium 360 in hand. Oh, would you look at that, it's found its way to ebay[=http//cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8254020489&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1]it's found its way to ebay.[/quote7b83bda199]

I couldn't afford to get in.. I was saving up for a DLP TV when I was waiting for the XBOX 360 from freepay

TimTheSloth

23-01-2006 17:10:00

[quote508123e968="Wolfeman"]That's fine but that's not a guarantee. Everyone thought there'd be enough to go around and its clear in their TOS what happens when an item is back ordered...[/quote508123e968]

It's misleading at best. "Get ready for Nov 22, so you can wait 4 months" wouldn't have as prompted as many sign ups though.

The 360 "shortage" shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone. Every system launched in the past 10 years has had a "shortage". News companies report on it and it builds up free hype for the system so the Manufacturers keep the supply slightly below the demand. FreePay should know this as well as anyone because they had a hard time getting the PSP when it launched, even though that was one of the tamest shortages of any recent system because very few people were buying it with the high price tag.

In case you think there will be enough PS3s to go around when it launches, I will be a fortune teller and predict a shortage. Turns out I'm not the only one
http//www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2006Jan/bga20060118034306.htm
http//www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=7816
http//arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060118-6004.html
I wonder how to apply for these "industry analyst" jobs.

Wolfeman

23-01-2006 17:12:14

I agree it was misleading but that really doesn't change anything. The PS3 will be tought to get as well but the 360 was massive shortages.

Did you go to HS in Irvine?

drunkmonkey

23-01-2006 17:37:45

My question How is it Trainn can keep their 360 customers happy, but Freepay can't even get a first shipment out?

crazyates

23-01-2006 19:33:23

[quote13f0c09d9e="drunkmonkey"]My question How is it Trainn can keep their 360 customers happy, but Freepay can't even get a first shipment out?[/quote13f0c09d9e]

Trainn has sent a FEW 360s out...suddenly that means all of thier customers are happy? freepay is a lot bigger company w/ more orders to fill, while Trainn dosn't have nearly as many shipments to send out. I can almost guarentee you that there have been people waiting for thier 360s from Trainn just as long as people who are waiting on freepay. Ya Trainn sent a few out, but they're still a long way from completing thier orders as well.

also, you wait a while and then see what people think of this thread. As soon as freepay shipps the 200+ 360s jakes been talking about, fipg will be filled w/ people stoked to get thier 360. ya it'll be late....but plenty of people will be happy nontheless.

Fugger

23-01-2006 20:30:26

Crynos what was your original question to freepay? If you look really really deep into the freepay rep's response, it is flawed... he/she didn't state that they would be fullfilling customer orders, they just confirmed that xbox360's would be shipping. While horribly deceptive, it is technically true. xbox360's have been shipping since before they went on sale to the general public, it would just appear that none of them were to freepay members.

drunkmonkey

23-01-2006 21:39:54

[quote5e1ab452ac="crazyates"]Trainn has sent a FEW 360s out...[/quote5e1ab452ac]

from http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=29010

1/9/06
[quote5e1ab452ac="Trainn-Alan"]We received another set of units today and are through another 3 days worth of orders. By the end of this week all orders up to October 18th will have been shipped. [/quote5e1ab452ac]
1/17/06
[quote5e1ab452ac="Trainn-Alan"]By the end of the week, we hope to have everything up until November 25th shipped. [/quote5e1ab452ac]

Sounds like they're on the right track...

Daggoth

23-01-2006 21:41:25

Crazyates + drunkmonkey Your information is both wrong. Trainn has sent out 360 shipments up till November 26th... Thats not a few 360s...

drunkmonkey

23-01-2006 21:42:36

[quote0b036508e0="Daggoth"]Crazyates + drunkmonkey Your information is both wrong. Trainn has sent out 360 shipments up till November 26th... Thats not a few 360s...[/quote0b036508e0]

Didn't edit in time...thanks though.

austin01

23-01-2006 21:43:07

Heres some of Freepay's/Gratis response the last six months taken off of sscalcomp25 at anything4free forum.

This is a quote from a CS inquiry

10/18/2005 110448 AM
customer service wrote

[bd01b02d609]The Xbox 360 will be shipped once it is released in November.[/bd01b02d609]

10/16/2005 12316 PM
customer service wrote

We have received your inquiry and will respond via a reply post in your account as soon as possible. Thank you for your patience.


So I think We should see the xbox 360 on November 22, around or before Christmas or sometime in January. There is only 1 week left in January so we should be expected or 360's anyday now D

10/16/2005 12315 PM
<myemail> wrote

For the xbox360 i was wondering when i will be sent to vendored and when about should i expect to recieve it in the mail via dhl. I'm just curious because it is almost a month until they are released and nothing has happened since may on my status. thank you.

I have an even better line sent to me in another inquiry stating that they were shipping, back in november. But they were not. Also they had stuff on their website.


Attention!
Important Information
Due to Microsoft's extremely limited supply of the Xbox 360's, [bd01b02d609]we are unable to fulfill our customer's Xbox 360 orders until sometime in January 2006[/bd01b02d609]. We apologize for this inconvenience and thank you for you continued patience, while we continue to work hard to fulfill your orders as soon as possible.


11/17/2005 12945 PM
customer service wrote

We ordered 300 xbox's for the first shipment. I can not give you what number you are. Please be patient and you should receive [bd01b02d609]your xbox within 3 to 4 weeks. If you do not receive it around that time you should have it before or after christmas[/bd01b02d609]. We will try to get them out ASAP. Thank you

sscalcomp25

23-01-2006 22:45:40

um, ya. Don't steal my stuff. U know what i am talking about austin. That was my post in another forum. I did it to show that they need to work on their marketing and advertisement. instead of "we will send them" to "we will have more information at..." They also need to work on their customer relations. There is customer service and then customer relations. I think jake is doing a good job with that, but the rest of the company needs to be more connected to the clients. Yes, we are clients. But if u take from somewhere else, state the name of the place at least. I'm trying to prove the point that freepay is a company that deals in a business where they need to be very close to the client and they have to run a good vibe on people. Right now that is at risk. That is what i think is good about forums and that freepay need to look at these forums and realize that something needs to change. I do believe they still have a chance to stay on top b ut it is slipping. OC slipped and now the number 2 spot is open. I love freepay but they are showing poor service in a stressful situation. I have more to say but i need to go to the store(yes it is 11 at night).

austin01

23-01-2006 23:16:58

[quote6600d2e90c="sscalcomp25"]um, ya. Don't steal my stuff. U know what i am talking about austin. That was my post in another forum. I did it to show that they need to work on their marketing and advertisement. instead of "we will send them" to "we will have more information at..." They also need to work on their customer relations. There is customer service and then customer relations. I think jake is doing a good job with that, but the rest of the company needs to be more connected to the clients. Yes, we are clients. But if u take from somewhere else, state the name of the place at least. I'm trying to prove the point that freepay is a company that deals in a business where they need to be very close to the client and they have to run a good vibe on people. Right now that is at risk. That is what i think is good about forums and that freepay need to look at these forums and realize that something needs to change. I do believe they still have a chance to stay on top b ut it is slipping. OC slipped and now the number 2 spot is open. I love freepay but they are showing poor service in a stressful situation. I have more to say but i need to go to the store(yes it is 11 at night).[/quote6600d2e90c]

sscalcomp25,
No disrespect, just trying to show others who didn't believe. I stated on my post that I got it from another member on anything 4 free up top.

sscalcomp25

23-01-2006 23:49:40

i'm not too mad about that. it just struck a chord with me. considering that my computer died today and my roommates are complete slobs, i'm just a little mad. I also found out about a midterm that is on friday today. I"m just going psycho over all the things happeneing right now.

kevxross

24-01-2006 09:18:30

Is M$ even still sending out units with the bonus media remote? I haven't seen any in any of the newer shipments... Is Freepay going to buy us all the separate media remote, since they do say it's included?

I'm not trying to fuel the little bicker contest going on here, I'm just curious.

sscalcomp25

24-01-2006 09:38:36

YAY! It's bicker contest time! Yay! They said they would and they should. But don't be too mad when it doesn't come in the set.

But freepay needs to play the game of this better. I"m sure they promoted jake so he wouldn't have time to come on to these websites and help out people and show them great customer service.

crazyates

24-01-2006 09:54:13

[quoteb5769d0049="sscalcomp25"]YAY! It's bicker contest time! Yay! They said they would and they should. But don't be too mad when it doesn't come in the set.

But freepay needs to play the game of this better. I"m sure they promoted jake so he wouldn't have time to come on to these websites and help out people and show them great customer service.[/quoteb5769d0049]

how often is jake on these forums anymore? i havn't seen him in a while....

Jake

24-01-2006 09:57:13

[quote7c312a3fbd="crazyates"][quote7c312a3fbd="sscalcomp25"]YAY! It's bicker contest time! Yay! They said they would and they should. But don't be too mad when it doesn't come in the set.

But freepay needs to play the game of this better. I"m sure they promoted jake so he wouldn't have time to come on to these websites and help out people and show them great customer service.[/quote7c312a3fbd]

how often is jake on these forums anymore? i havn't seen him in a while....[/quote7c312a3fbd]

I'm around. Just not as much as I used to be. I don't have the time with my new position and all.

I always answer PMs and make the occasional announcement.

KeithA

24-01-2006 13:27:22

[quote775eb46ba2]
Xbox 360 won't spring forward in production
Published 4 hours ago; 948am PDT
by Marcus Lai
Punch Jump's Hot Coffee Talk

Microsoft's Xbox 360 console may not see a boost in production until spring, a USA Today report said on Monday.

The Xbox successor has been scarce at retail since its launch in late Nov. and still commands a premium at online retailers like Amazon.com and Walmart.com.

The news publication says that electronics retailer Circuit City has seized promoting the console in its advertisements and the national chain does not see supplies improving for the next 90 days.

Microsoft has sold a lower-than-expected 600,000 Xbox 360 consoles in the U.S due to limited availability across the nation.

The supply problem may lie in the production of the Xbox 360, which requires 1,700 parts to complete.

Such supply detriment will leave Microsoft with less of a advantage than initially expected against rivals Sony and Nintendo. Both plan to offer new consoles this year.[/quote775eb46ba2]

TimTheSloth

24-01-2006 14:52:11

[quotedda5e026c3="Wolfeman"]
Did you go to HS in Irvine?[/quotedda5e026c3]

Nope, I'm originally from Claremont, CA. I'm in Irvine for college at Concordia University.

FreeOffersNow

24-01-2006 19:11:40

[b306f7e19a2]Read[/b306f7e19a2] http//www.usatoday.com/tech/gaming/2006-01-23-xbox-demand_x.htm

[b306f7e19a2]Final word[/b306f7e19a2] Don't expect FreePay to ship any 360s until late February - early March

Sorry guys, I'm disappointed too.