Broke my ipod

I don't know, but I can't load any of the software and it is all errored. Completely screwed up. Any suggestion? Fk.

how far do you get after turning it on?

This folder with an exclamation mark pops up, then it turns off.

What exactly did you do?

I tried using the winamp plugin for ipod instead of iTunes, because I hate iTunes.

Try formating your ipod through the winamp plugin in its properties menu. It should clear your ipod and prep it for use with the plugin. I'm pretty sure that on any mac hardware, that icon means that the drive is unreadable, so maybe the file system corrupted itself or something.

If all else fails, try apple support.

Or HP, if its an Hpod.

So you didn't use the program DESIGNED to work with your iPod and used program that includes the word "WIN" in an Apple product.

DUH Einstein.

[quotebee72ff2e1="tyketto"]So you didn't use the program DESIGNED to work with your iPod and used program that includes the word "WIN" in an Apple product.

DUH Einstein.[/quotebee72ff2e1]

Just because the winamp plugin isn't the offical Apple software doesn't mean it will automatically destroy your ipod. Many people have used it with no problems at all. Not everybody here is going to buy a mac just to make sure no "win" products ever touch their ipods.

The ipod in question is not done for, searching around the web a little should give you an idea of how to fix it, ipodlounge will probably be your best best.

No, they won't, but they should ;)

I'm just saying, the allure of iPod is how it works so well not only with its interface, but how it communicates with your machine through the software designed by the manufacturer. Taking it one step further, the holy Trinity IS an iPod, iTunes and iMac since they're all designed to work in tandem, however, if you're going the PC route, then the next best is to use the software designed for it. Sure others have used Winamp fine.. but PCs have an uncanny way of not working well with others things. Seems that's what happened here.

To fix your iPod, just do a search on Google. There has to be a way to reformat and reset the thing. I would assume then you can reset it up to work with your Winamp. I'd agree to try a site like iPodlounge which has a nice mixture of PC and Mac users.

I'm Tyketto and I have approved this Mac Zealot message.

Have you tried to reset it to factory default settings? I believe you hold down the menu and play buttons for ten seconds or so.

[quotef0f9c860e0="tyketto"] but PCs have an uncanny way of not working well with others things. Seems that's what happened here.
[/quotef0f9c860e0]

Please.... The person either didn't use the plugin correctly or had some other mistake, and thats the fault of the hardware architecture the program's running on? roll

Use the Ipod's software update tool. You can upgrade the firmware and reformat your iPod.

Thanks for attempts at help. Yes, I have done every kind of built in reset thing, and my problem is that I can't get the updater to do anything. I have tried many times.

[quote82334e4556="sevenfx"]Thanks for attempts at help. Yes, I have done every kind of built in reset thing, and my problem is that I can't get the updater to do anything. I have tried many times.[/quote82334e4556]

is it a apple or hp?

The only beef most people have with iTunes is the resources it uses up. But other than that, there is no other player that can beat it in terms of power n simplicity. Tyketto is right, the iPod is best used with iTunes. A lot of people who complain about iTunes haven't really compared it feature for feature with their favorite players. iTunes wins hands down except when resources are running low.

^^^
Itunes wiped 2000 mp3's from a friend's computer without saying a word and a member of this forum experimented the same problem. After a while she was able to recover the mp3's but my friend was not that lucky. I'm not letting that bitch near my 10000 mp3's EVER

i dont care how nice itunes is.
i allways have and allways will drag and drop new music to my mp3 player, along with my play lists.
because that is how i have it set up on my PC.

if i cant do that with ipod & itunes, i will either sell the ipod and buy a (cheaper) iriver 20g, or i will find 3rd party software that will function the way i want it to.

i dont think its cool for ipod to limit us to using their software, that is compareable to sony releasing a player that uses only a sony branded file format similar to mp3. thats also why mini-disk players arent all that popular.

thats just my opinion though.

[quote12a1c6bd90="psykoalby"]The only beef most people have with iTunes is the resources it uses up. But other than that, there is no other player that can beat it in terms of power n simplicity. Tyketto is right, the iPod is best used with iTunes. A lot of people who complain about iTunes haven't really compared it feature for feature with their favorite players. iTunes wins hands down except when resources are running low.[/quote12a1c6bd90]

Why would somebody need to comapre iTunes feature for feature with their favorite player? If they like their other media players better, why look into iTunes any farther than they have.

And resources aren't the only thing that iTunes isn't good it. It has hardely any chance for customization when compared to most other players out there. It takes an eternity to start up as well. The only reason I used iTunes is because my keyboard multimedia buttons don't work with foobar.

@Malformed What you say is true but about that last comment...i've been VERY happy with my MP3 NET MD-505Z for well over a year and a half. The ipod will be its substitute hopefully ;)

Well, where to begin.

1/)Why would you want to drag and drop? First of all, you CAN'T as far as I know. Second, iTunes syncs with your iPod, hence it's automatic - whatever your library is when you connect, it adjusts your iPod. Why create extra work?
2.) Apple designed it that way for a reason. Apple likes to make things work together. If you sanction all these other companies to make software there's a good chance it's not going to work as planned. Then people will say it's the iPod that has the problem, not the software. Your comparison to Sony is not accurate. Sony required you to use their special format for music. iPod plays all music types except that god awful WMA format.
3.) What do you mean by resources? RAM? I wouldn't know anything about that... once again, the holy Trinity makes that a nonissue.
4.) iTunes isn't a player, iPod is. iTunes is a management system that can play the files, but it is more for management.
5.) I've never heard of iTunes destroying MP3 files before this forum. I've never had an issue with it.
6.) Customizable? How? What do you need the thing to do it doesn't do already? It organizes and sorts music. It can play music files.
7.) My iTunes boots right up...

I just did a search on Google. I can't find any complaints of iTunes deleting files. Perhaps it moved the files and consolidated them and the users didn't realize it, or perhaps they didn't realize if they delete a song from iTunes AND give it the go-ahead, it will trash the MP3. But that requires user input. If anyone finds an article I'd like to see it. Please link to it... just so I know for sure what the hell I'm talking about (which I'm sure most of you already have written me off as not knowing what the hell I'm talking about anyway ) LOL)

And one last thing... I find it very curious that so many people have gone through all the trouble to get an iPod with no concept at all what it is, why it's so popular, or what makes it so damn cool to have one. You're trying to compare it to these other players you can go buy in a Kmart... it's not that at all.

you make it sound like ipods are the best. lol

sure, its sleek and its smaller than all the other players...
but just reading reviews on it is enough to prove that the ipod isnt for everyone.

some archos and iriver actualy have 3rd party software for them that is suposedly better and more functional than the stock software. (or is it firmware) more info http//www.rockbox.org/


i PREFER to drag and drop files, the way my music directorys are set up, if i rip a cd to mp3's it goes right to my E\music\ folder.
which is where my play lists are at.

all i have to do is copy them from my music folder, along with the edited playlist. no extra software needed.
having to use another program to do something ive allready been doing effectivly without special software for over a year makes no sense to me.

i also used my mp3 player between multiple computers.
being able to drag and drop is a definite must for that when you cant install itunes on the computers you plan to use.

im sure that makes more sense to you than anything else ive said so far.

only reason i need a new player is my archos crapped out on me last year and i couldnt charge my batterys without removing them.
the ac adapter was fine, but something in the archos prevented it from charging.
removing the batterys repeatedly ended up damaging the unit beyond repair.

and even though i would prefer an iriver with color display (im a hobby photographer, and with the iriver you can copy pictures over to it with a usb cable from what i hear, and then view them.)

an Ipod would atleast give me SOMETHING to listen to my mp3's on.

[quote432c1f7a09="hacktek"]^^^
Itunes wiped 2000 mp3's from a friend's computer without saying a word and a member of this forum experimented the same problem. After a while she was able to recover the mp3's but my friend was not that lucky. I'm not letting that bitch near my 10000 mp3's EVER[/quote432c1f7a09]

Your friend must be pretty damn stupid to somehow let iTunes destroy his/her music. You have to literally try to force iTunes to delete your songs. In college dorms iTunes is pretty popular since you can share your music easily across campus. In terms of managing music, iTunes wins hands down if you have your ID3 tags right. One thing that really impresses me with iTunes is the smart playlists and the ease of creating them. If you have a couple of songs here and there then maybe basic winamp playlists will work for you, but if you have a thousand+ songs then you need some serious music management. The music management features of other free players out there are primitive at best. And how much does winamp charge to let you rip and burn at fast speeds? That's right, it's not exactly free.

[quoteeebe5c35cc="tyketto"]Well, where to begin.

1/)Why would you want to drag and drop? First of all, you CAN'T as far as I know. Second, iTunes syncs with your iPod, hence it's automatic - whatever your library is when you connect, it adjusts your iPod. Why create extra work? [/quoteeebe5c35cc]

I don't want all my music on my ipod. I have more music on my computer than will be able to fit on an ipod for a long time. Even if I didn't have that much music, I wouldn't want anything changing on my computer/ipod every time I hook it up for a charge. This seems like a big annoyance to me.

[quoteeebe5c35cc]2.) Apple designed it that way for a reason. Apple likes to make things work together. If you sanction all these other companies to make software there's a good chance it's not going to work as planned. Then people will say it's the iPod that has the problem, not the software. Your comparison to Sony is not accurate. Sony required you to use their special format for music. iPod plays all music types except that god awful WMA format. [/quoteeebe5c35cc]
It is fine to make this work together very well, but if it was impossible for an iPod to use anything but their 1st party software it would be ridiculous. If I buy an iPod I should be able to do whatever I want to that. If that includes using a 3rd party program instead of iTunes, it should be allowed. On a side note, Sony is even worse with all of their proprietary stuff than Apple is.

An iPod won't play all types of music except wma. There are many formats I would like to use that it won't support.

[quoteeebe5c35cc]
3.) What do you mean by resources? RAM? I wouldn't know anything about that... once again, the holy Trinity makes that a nonissue.[/quoteeebe5c35cc]
The iPod, iTunes, and iMac are hardely the holy trinity of anything. But then again, you wouldn't know anything about that. And no, even using those 3 things doesn't make it a nonissue.


[quoteeebe5c35cc]4.) iTunes isn't a player, iPod is. iTunes is a management system that can play the files, but it is more for management.[/quoteeebe5c35cc]
You're shitting me right?

[quoteeebe5c35cc]6.) Customizable? How? What do you need the thing to do it doesn't do already? It organizes and sorts music. It can play music files. [/quoteeebe5c35cc]
Support more formats, be able to remove things so it isn't so bloated, make the interface look like I want it, not have it show in my my taskbar.

[quoteeebe5c35cc]7.) My iTunes boots right up...[/quoteeebe5c35cc]
iTunes does not boot right up, even on a G5 if you have more than a handful of songs loaded it takes time for it to boot up.

[quoteeebe5c35cc="psykoalby"]In college dorms iTunes is pretty popular since you can share your music easily across campus. In terms of managing music, iTunes wins hands down if you have your ID3 tags right. One thing that really impresses me with iTunes is the smart playlists and the ease of creating them. If you have a couple of songs here and there then maybe basic winamp playlists will work for you, but if you have a thousand+ songs then you need some serious music management. The music management features of other free players out there are primitive at best. And how much does winamp charge to let you rip and burn at fast speeds? That's right, it's not exactly free.[/quoteeebe5c35cc]
In my dorm right now 2 people are using iTunes, it is not really that popular. If I'm on a network with somebody I will just download their music, not just listen to it for a second.

Smart playlists are nice, but there isn't much featured in smart playlists that can't be done with a simple string search. I am willing to bet I have a boatload more music than you do, and I prefer not to manage my music using iTunes. Winamp has most all of the managing features that iTunes does.

i hate itunes, i use musicmatch for putting files on my ipod, i just make a playlist of an album and add it on, i have too much music for an ipod and if itunes synced it automatically for me id be pissed

also ipod doesnt play flac like the rio karma does and thats kinda bothersome because i download alot of flac files

Oh you can transfer with musicmatch? Swwweeeet!!! Is that a v9 feature? Hope not because i had to go back to v7, v9 kept doing the ID3 tags and file naming all wrong.

@tyketto this forum's member who had the problem with iTunes was shifuimam so you should go ahead and ask her, i'm not lying.

@theotherdude my friend is nowhere from stupid, he went to delete from what appeared a playlist and iTunes just deleted his files without any sort of warning. I was present when it happened.

i use the winamp plug in, it is MUCH nicer than ITunes. No more renumbering albums because Itunes is stupid. Making playlists is actually simpler..haha, really. And I prefer the look, since it uses the iwnamp skin I currently run.

I'm sorry that the thread starter ran into some problems, I think you should take it to the apple store and see if they can fix it.

Howdy...Yes indeed, I had a problem with losing over 350 mp3s due to iTunes. I deleted files from my library and iTunes by default also deleted them from my hard drive. I had added a huge amount of music to iTunes and killed the .exeurl==http://=http:///url via TaskMan to keep it from continuing to delete my music. Some stuff was in the Recycle Bin, but most of it never made it that far and was scattered throughout my "System Volume Information" directories on my three hard drives.

I never got my Backstreet Boys back. '( I ended up using a copy of a disk recovery application that my ex (freelance computer consultant) happened to have on hand. It took a long time, but I did manage to get back nearly all my music, and I was able to rename all of it (the filenames were really fucked up) using MP3-tag Studio.

I now don't touch iTunes at all. It's still installed on my desktop, but I refuse to even run the .exeurl==http://=http:///url for any reason at all. You NEED the iPod updater utility - I had the same problem when I got my iPod where I thought I "broke" it. I ended up unplugging it, doing a hard reset, plugging it back in, and running the iPod Updater utility. I don't have any experience with the Winamp plugin since I use Anapod Explorer (and yes you have to pay for it - I don't currently know of a way to crack the software, and since it's relatively new there are no keygens for it) on both my laptop and my desktop.

Windows XP natively supports the iPod and will install it automatically the first time you plug it in. You don't even need to use the software CD that came with it once you have it initially formatted for Windows. I plugged it in to my laptop, let the auto hardware install do its thing, and I was able to activate Anapod Explorer with zero issues. I now use my laptop to do most of my music management, and my desktop to do new mp3 transfers to the iPod.

For those who want it, FYI, Anapod does indeed do various levels of manual and auto syncing. However, I have ~30GB of music and a 20GB iPod, so I don't use said feature.

As far as the amazing ripping capabilities of iTunes, fuck that with a stick. I used to use a cracked Musicmatch Plus, but my serial got killed by a patch I had to install, so now I CDex. It's quite possibly the best ripping program I have seen. It's very fast, the interface is great, and it supports all kinds of codecs. You have to tweak it a bit first to make sure you're not ripping silent mp3s, but the FAQ on the website covers a lot of common issues with initial use.

You can find out more about CDex here http//www.cdex.n3.net/. It is open source and also available from sourceforge.

iTunes simply allows for very little fine tuning and customized control of things, which is one of the reasons I hate it so much. Winamp 2.9x has served me very well, and my MP3 tagging utility and CDex do everything I could possibly want or need as far as music management goes.

Any other questions reply or PM me.

Oh, PS -

[quote1849857a35="Malformed"]i dont care how nice itunes is.
i allways have and allways will drag and drop new music to my mp3 player, along with my play lists.[/quote1849857a35]

Malformed, I had a Creative Nomad MuVo2 (512MB) before I got my iPod, so I know exactly what you mean. Integration with Windows Explorer is crucial for me. Check out Anapod Explorer here http//www.redchairsoftware.com/anapod/ - you can download a free version that is limited (you can only transfer one song at a time) but will allow you to see all the features available. I have multiple computers, so it was well worth the $25 for me to buy the software and activate my iPod on all my machines.

to those people who lost their music? Did you have itunes move the music files to the default folder and then accidentally delete them in itunes?

[quote4e0f24654b="tetro"]to those people who lost their music? Did you have itunes move the music files to the default folder and then accidentally delete them in itunes?[/quote4e0f24654b]

I'm honestly not sure. iTunes created its "iTunes Folder" in the same directory where my mp3 subdirectories were stored (e.g. K/music/iTunes). I had NO music stored in that directory. When I deleted music from my library, iTunes said it would delete from the iTunes Folder. I assumed this was the damn folder iTunes had created as the ITUNES FOLDER, but I guess not.

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actually the ipods interface with the computer is a real DOWNER for me. depending on how well I like it I might sell my ipod for an iriver. the software is what I so hate about the ipod (the hardware is gorgeous) typical mac ehh -)

what I want in an idea mp3 player. I plug it into a computer and it pops up as any other external hard drive. I drag and drop my music onto it. done.

with the ipod you CAN NOT do this. you HAVE to use itunes (or something like it) to get the music on. I HATE THIS. big time.

I want LESS software. not more. I want it like my digital camera. plop in the usb/firewire cord up pop a new drive with my files to do with as I please.

with an ipod I would have to store every mp3 twice. once via itunes so I can play them and once via file storage so I can copy them OFF the ipod if I so desire (unless this has changed ??)

Chris Taylor
http//www.nerys.com/

[quote7d375ca309="nerys"]actually the ipods interface with the computer is a real DOWNER for me...[/quote7d375ca309]

I must say, for once I completely agree with everything that you're saying. Having to use additional software to manage the songs on your iPod is really annoying. I'm considering the iRiver as well. There is currently 2 different models that I really love. The only thing that is delaying my decision is the design of Apple's hardware. Damn gorgeous bitch of an MP3 Player they make...

I find it amusing that my boyfriend, who has a 3G 30GB iPod he's been using for months now with iTunes, managed to accidentally delete almost all of his MP3s because of iTunes.

I honestly woulnd't recommend using iTunes simply because it is NOT reliable 100%. No matter how many people give positive testimony, go with something you're familiar with - e.g. use the Winamp plugin or Ephod, both of which are simple and free, or pay for something like XPlay or Anapod, but stay away from iTunes if you value your collection.

Just my 4 cents.